Originally Posted by Mreaper
@Kanna, "no one" seems to be pretty context heavy here. It appears that no one in leadership trusted the Uchiha, but Tobi never gives any examples of the townspeople acting out any discrimination.
I'll go on my interpretation on Tobi's words for the time being. Hopefully Itachi will reveal things we didn't know.
When I look at it in context, it makes much more sense that "no one" means "no one
," especially since the comment is immediately followed with "then the discrimination began." Was that only by the leadership too? How could the leadership discriminate further after
the clan was already forcibly relocated?
Indeed, hopefully Itachi will. But does he even know that Danzou and Tobi met up around that time?
Originally Posted by theOrator
Then I guess it's a good thing I've already stated that I don't treat Tobi's word as the gospel truth. But his words, however suspect they may be, are the only side of the Uchiha story we have to go off of at the moment. And in his words, Itachi felt that the massacre was the only option left to prevent a greater catastrophe, i.e. another war. As for Madara, well I highly doubt the rest of the clan was ambitious as him. Recall that by the time the village was formed, the Uchiha were simply tired of fighting, not necessarily because they coveted peace or didn't want power. Madara's dis-ownment seems to have stemmed from the fact that he simply wasn't satisfied with the truce, he wanted control over the whole village too.
You may say
that but any time I've said there could be falsehood involved, instead of addressing that possibility directly, you keep saying that I shouldn't assume such, based on one known lie (actually two, if he really isn't Madara). Then you go on to make the assumption that his testimony is correct in order to defend the idea that a genocide was justified, and assume that Itachi's judgment was unquestionably sound, since he participated in this. But as NS has repeatedly pointed out, this is the guy who made his little brother into a hate-fuelled avenger in the first place. It didn't take much for Tobi to focus Sasuke's rage on Konoha, thanks to Itachi (who now admits himself that this way of influencing Sasuke was wrong). Also, Itachi was supposed to be the one keeping an eye on Tobi, so when he got his brother to kill him, who was supposed to hold Tobi to his promise to leave Konoha alone (or at the very least, keep tabs on him)? Danzou? lol...
Originally Posted by Mreaper
I'd also like to point out that the Uchiha of Madara's time =/= The Uchiha of Itachi's time.
Maybe so. However they also thought to rebel after Madara left, if Tobi's words are true. I think there are probably more similarities to the Uchiha's past and present resistance movements than differences, since both movements, according to Tobi anyway, were more or less based on the same grounds.
Originally Posted by Stone-Free
If anything, it would be interesting because it's not a typical ending for this type of manga.
Hmm. That would leave the door open for a sequel though. Something I'm not so sure I'd want to see...