Ichigo's Hollow a Vasto Lorde???

[Amaterasu]

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

Just a theory but Ichigo has a huge problem with controlling his power. He has so much of it that it constantly overflows from his body. What if his inner hollow feeds off of Ichigo's vast and uncontrollable power which causes his hollow to "evolve". This wouldn't mean he'd be a typical Vasto Lorde as his hollow hasn't actually eaten any hollows but it does maintain a constant supply of quality energy as Ichigo is on par with most of the strong captains. If this is true then Ichigo's hollow is sort of like a Vasto Lorde as it's basically eating shinigami captains every day of the week which is the equivalent of hundreds upon hundreds of Gillian or dozens of Adjuchas. So my vote goes to yes although not in the typical sense since Ichigo's hollow isn't a normal hollow by any stretch of the imagination.

Basically what was said on the previous page, though you're making it sound as if his hollow side really is vasto lorde level, when we've only seen him beat number 4 who is uncomparable to the higher-ups, hence no exact way to rank his power, making it very difficult to claim he's either this or that.

As i said further up, I don't think he's at that level yet.

Originally Posted by Amaterasu

Basically what was said on the previous page, though you're making it sound as if his hollow side really is vasto lorde level, when we've only seen him beat number 4 who is uncomparable to the higher-ups, hence no exact way to rank his power, making it very difficult to claim he's either this or that.

As i said further up, I don't think he's at that level yet.

Well the problem is good old Ulqy was using city busting attacks while Stark and Barragain haven't shown any hint of that kind of destructive force. Also no one knew Ulqy had a second release. He could very well have been stronger than the top 3 Espada. Ichigo's hollow demonstrated its capable of casually making the best of the best Sonido user look slow and grab the most destructive attack in Bleach to date bare handed and crush it like a grape. Not to sound like a raging fan boy (because I really am not) but so far in terms of direct raw power and potential he's shown more than any Espada and as a preemptive statement it's looking like his physical feats are going to be similar to WW's casual hand through chest bit.

Because of all this circumstantial evidence it looks like Ichigo's hollow may not be a Vasto Lorde but it looks like it might be uncannily similar.

[narutoichigo88]

Originally Posted by Amaterasu

Basically what was said on the previous page, though you're making it sound as if his hollow side really is vasto lorde level, when we've only seen him beat number 4 who is uncomparable to the higher-ups, hence no exact way to rank his power, making it very difficult to claim he's either this or that.

As i said further up, I don't think he's at that level yet.

He beat ulquiorra when he was in release stage two,i think that is enough to assume that ichigo's hollow is a vasto lorde

[Orochimaru-basher]

Maybe it's a step above a vasto lorde? Just like Uliqy's second form, no-one really know about them before. It looked like a physical arrancar release (mask covers more of face, tattoo's cover body and hole more visible etc.) but he still maintained his bankai too, I reckon that his inner hollow is just blending with Ichigo's massive amount of reatsu (hence the colour change to black and red earlier in the series), and it is constantly evolving because it is part of ichigo and he gets more powerful after each fight. Because he is fighting much tougher opponents, it has to adapt to be a step above a vasto lorde, or at least somewhere near its level.

[Amaterasu]

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

Well the problem is good old Ulqy was using city busting attacks while Stark and Barragain haven't shown any hint of that kind of destructive force. Also no one knew Ulqy had a second release. He could very well have been stronger than the top 3 Espada. Ichigo's hollow demonstrated its capable of casually making the best of the best Sonido user look slow and grab the most destructive attack in Bleach to date bare handed and crush it like a grape. Not to sound like a raging fan boy (because I really am not) but so far in terms of direct raw power and potential he's shown more than any Espada and as a preemptive statement it's looking like his physical feats are going to be similar to WW's casual hand through chest bit.

You don't think an aura that destroys anything is destructive?
You don't think firing a thousand ceros is destructive? (technically, he didn't)
Just because they don't physically hit objects with the same force, doesn't make them any less powerful.
Remember, there's 4 styles of fighting.
And they haven't even started yet, whilst Ulquiorra was working at 100%.

What I'm saying, is that a strong adjucha could probably fight on par with a mediocre captain, but shinigamify it, and give it bankai, and it could probably beat a vasto lorde arrancar w/o either sword stages.

[EviL-Ban-Kai]

I think until we have a confirmed vastro this conversation is all for naught, and Do ya'll really think aizen did not know about ulq.'s 2nd release? yes he said nobody did, but ITS AIZEN we are talking about here. He pretty much knows everything, and we dont even know his full range of power at all. Best bet right now would have to be wonderweiss, but still we really have no grounds to say it til they do(but theories are fun!)

[j0rghinjo]

Well, he may knows there is a 2nd release form. But did not know Ulquirro had a 2nd release yet.

[toad moad]

what i will say is im not gona comment on the whole ichigo's hollow being a vasto lorde, but i will say it was more powerful than maybe the rest of espada, maybe not WW. cause yes eventhough ulquiorra was only ranked #4. hollow ichigo made him look like he was a weakling. like ulquiorra couldnt even begin to try to touch him. the gap between powers seemed similar to the gap between ichigo's and and byakuya's powers in their first meeting. yall get me???

Originally Posted by Amaterasu

You don't think an aura that destroys anything is destructive?
You don't think firing a thousand ceros is destructive? (technically, he didn't)

As destructive as a city leveling single attack? No. Not even close. 2nd Hollow Ichigo would swat those ceros away like flies. Barragain's release is pretty ****ing destructive but the problem is it's limited and anything ranged ****s with him. That's why Stark is #1 because he doesn't need to get close.

Just because they don't physically hit objects with the same force, doesn't make them any less powerful.
Remember, there's 4 styles of fighting.
And they haven't even started yet, whilst Ulquiorra was working at 100%.

Hence why what I said was based on what we have seen. Duh.

What I'm saying, is that a strong adjucha could probably fight on par with a mediocre captain, but shinigamify it, and give it bankai, and it could probably beat a vasto lorde arrancar w/o either sword stages.

How can you say that? We haven't even seen a Vasto Lorde and a Vasto Lorde is supposed to be stronger than the strongest captain. Like seriously think a little about what you're posting.

[Amaterasu]

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

As destructive as a city leveling single attack? No. Not even close. 2nd Hollow Ichigo would swat those ceros away like flies. Barragain's release is pretty ****ing destructive but the problem is it's limited and anything ranged ****s with him. That's why Stark is #1 because he doesn't need to get close.

This is not what I'm disagreeing on.

If you have a pizza, like Ulquiorra and eat the whole damn thing in one mouthfull, as opposed to Starrk, who first cuts it into 8 pieces and eat it, it's still a whole pizza.
Just 'cause he splits his ceros up into a ridiculous amount of shots, doesn't mean its destructive sum is any less. Starrk's only been hitting air and Kyoraku as of now, but I don't think he'd let fake Karakura go unscathed if he'd direct his aim that way, seeing as he's numero uno.

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

Hence why what I said was based on what we have seen. Duh.

Your assumption is based not on general strength, but specialized strength.

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

How can you say that? We haven't even seen a Vasto Lorde and a Vasto Lorde is supposed to be stronger than the strongest captain. Like seriously think a little about what you're posting.

It's just how I've percieved the relative flow of strength through espada ranked and non ranked arrancar. There are so many factors that you're dismissing without discussing their relevance, that your retort really loses all credibility.
If you're going to be bombastic and outright rude, enjoy.