Ichigo's Hollow a Vasto Lorde???

[Suiton:Katon:Doton]

I think we need to see wonderweiss release...then we will see just how bad vastos are...if he is one. Ulquiorra's second stage is badass also adding the fact that you had to destroy his organs to kill him.

Originally Posted by Amaterasu

This is not what I'm disagreeing on.

If you have a pizza, like Ulquiorra and eat the whole damn thing in one mouthfull, as opposed to Starrk, who first cuts it into 8 pieces and eat it, it's still a whole pizza.
Just 'cause he splits his ceros up into a ridiculous amount of shots, doesn't mean its destructive sum is any less. Starrk's only been hitting air and Kyoraku as of now, but I don't think he'd let fake Karakura go unscathed if he'd direct his aim that way, seeing as he's numero uno.

Speculation is nice and all but when there's no proof Stark can combine his ceros into a "super cero" then this is just speculation. I deal with what I've been shown and what is directly implied. You're dealing with the realm of fictitious theories that don't have any substance to back them up. If they did you could provide proof that its more than an uneducated opinion.

Your assumption is based not on general strength, but specialized strength.

No. My assumption is based off of what we have seen rather than what we have not seen.

It's just how I've percieved the relative flow of strength through espada ranked and non ranked arrancar. There are so many factors that you're dismissing without discussing their relevance, that your retort really loses all credibility.
If you're going to be bombastic and outright rude, enjoy.

I find it funny that you're questioning my credibility when you're dealing with nothing but "what ifs" and "wouldn't if be cools". I'm dealing with what Kubo illustrates and what his characters say while you're dealing with what you want to see and what you speculate to be true. If you don't like me "tearing you a new asshole" then don't jump in the big boys pool when you're still wearing a life jacket. Just in case you're going to take that the wrong way that means don't start posting opinions like they're fact when you have relatively no proof to support your claim.

[Amaterasu]

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

Speculation is nice and all but when there's no proof Stark can combine his ceros into a "super cero" then this is just speculation. I deal with what I've been shown and what is directly implied. You're dealing with the realm of fictitious theories that don't have any substance to back them up. If they did you could provide proof that its more than an uneducated opinion.


No. My assumption is based off of what we have seen rather than what we have not seen.

You did not get what I meant with specialized strength, meaning: You didn't counter my argument correctly in the previous paragraph, or simpler put: You didn't get it.
I didn't say Starrk could combine anything, I said the sum would be equivalent.

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

I find it funny that you're questioning my credibility when you're dealing with nothing but "what ifs" and "wouldn't if be cools". I'm dealing with what Kubo illustrates and what his characters say while you're dealing with what you want to see and what you speculate to be true. If you don't like me "tearing you a new asshole" then don't jump in the big boys pool when you're still wearing a life jacket. Just in case you're going to take that the wrong way that means don't start posting opinions like they're fact when you have relatively no proof to support your claim.

Just calm down.

What I've posted have been assumptions, yes, and the fact is, I've never claimed that they were anything but. Yes of course I realise how small of a probability it has, but again, I did not claim otherwise.
The funny thing is, your righteous attitude behind your arguments are very ill-placed, seeing as you also deal with nothing but speculations.
I don't care how "heavily implied" anything is, because at this point, there are too many contradictions to make a solid, firm argument, which is why I didn't try to.

[j0rghinjo]

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

If you don't like me "tearing you a new asshole" then don't jump in the big boys pool when you're still wearing a life jacket. Just in case you're going to take that the wrong way that means don't start posting opinions like they're fact when you have relatively no proof to support your claim.

Lol, i don't think you get even what ameratsu is saying. And jumping in the big boys pool. I think your trying to do it. You don't get a BpoftM by just only speculating and shit. The speculations from ameratsu and the facts that he gives overall are far more reasonable then yours are.

Originally Posted by Amaterasu

You did not get what I meant with specialized strength, meaning: You didn't counter my argument correctly in the previous paragraph, or simpler put: You didn't get it.
I didn't say Starrk could combine anything, I said the sum would be equivalent.

By that logic then we should combine Ulqy's lance and cero together as well. Doesn't work that way. If I missed something the typical response would be to explain what I missed instead of telling me I simply don't get it. But hey if you like having someone think you're pedaling fiat claims let me think what I want.

Just calm down.

I am perfectly calm but if you tell me to calm down again I won't be calm for much longer.

What I've posted have been assumptions, yes, and the fact is, I've never claimed that they were anything but. Yes of course I realise how small of a probability it has, but again, I did not claim otherwise.
The funny thing is, your righteous attitude behind your arguments are very ill-placed, seeing as you also deal with nothing but speculations.
I don't care how "heavily implied" anything is, because at this point, there are too many contradictions to make a solid, firm argument, which is why I didn't try to.

This isn't a "righteous attitude". You're correcting me using logic that if you combined multiple attacks they would equal Ulqy's lance. It's pretty dumb considering if you added together enough of the weakest attacks you'd end up with the same conclusion but it still has no relevance to the debate because the fact is that Stark's multiple ceros aren't added together and therefore its a pointless point. Don't tell me I'm misunderstanding this without explaining exactly what you mean because I'm taking your words at face value since I don't know you well enough to put context into consideration.

Originally Posted by j0rghinjo

Lol, i don't think you get even what ameratsu is saying. And jumping in the big boys pool. I think your trying to do it. You don't get a BpoftM by just only speculating and shit. The speculations from ameratsu and the facts that he gives overall are far more reasonable then yours are.

So its not reasonable to think that Ichigo's hollow is feeding off of his massive overflowing spiritual energy and has become something similar but not quite a Vasto Lorde? The only speculation I made was 1) Ichigo's hollow has comparable power to a Vasto Lorde (looks like his physical feats are comparable to WW's hand through chest bit though) and 2) Ichigo's hollow feeds off of his spiritual energy. At the very least they're reasonable assumptions but hey instead of picking apart my theory lets just do what you're doing because jumping in to defend someone who doesn't need your help is "cool".

[Masamune-sarotobi]

1
we don't know what a vasto looks like, we haven't seen one except from an shadow of one in episode 12 which had a similar helmet to ulluquoras but never mind.

2
all theorys are valid until they are proved wrong by Tite and only him
although there are obvious exceptions like "i think aizen is working undercover"

[Whewt22]

Actually those were the mock arrancar, the ones that turned grandfisher into an arrancar in chapter 25 or something. I think it's episode 8 too, I made a thread about it awhile ago, and realized it was them after rereading some.

The only vasto we've seen is the silhouette during Hitsugaya's speech.

[Masamune-sarotobi]

its before then isn't it

[Amaterasu]

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

By that logic then we should combine Ulqy's lance and cero together as well. Doesn't work that way. If I missed something the typical response would be to explain what I missed instead of telling me I simply don't get it. But hey if you like having someone think you're pedaling fiat claims let me think what I want.

This isn't a "righteous attitude". You're correcting me using logic that if you combined multiple attacks they would equal Ulqy's lance. It's pretty dumb considering if you added together enough of the weakest attacks you'd end up with the same conclusion but it still has no relevance to the debate because the fact is that Stark's multiple ceros aren't added together and therefore its a pointless point. Don't tell me I'm misunderstanding this without explaining exactly what you mean because I'm taking your words at face value since I don't know you well enough to put context into consideration.

What's the difference between firing one attack, compared to a thousand simultaneous attacks in an extremely concentrated ray?
He's not gonna fire one cero, wait for a couple of seconds, then fire another, and repeat that five hundred times.

Originally Posted by D.I.Y_Death

So its not reasonable to think that Ichigo's hollow is feeding off of his massive overflowing spiritual energy and has become something similar but not quite a Vasto Lorde? The only speculation I made was 1) Ichigo's hollow has comparable power to a Vasto Lorde (looks like his physical feats are comparable to WW's hand through chest bit though) and 2) Ichigo's hollow feeds off of his spiritual energy. At the very least they're reasonable assumptions but hey instead of picking apart my theory lets just do what you're doing because jumping in to defend someone who doesn't need your help is "cool".

Geez, take the time to read your opponent's replies first.
I didn't disagree with you on that.
In fact I agree with most of what you've said, except the vasto lorde part, because that's what I wrote on the previous page.

Originally Posted by Amaterasu

What's the difference between firing one attack, compared to a thousand simultaneous attacks in an extremely concentrated ray?
He's not gonna fire one cero, wait for a couple of seconds, then fire another, and repeat that five hundred times.

That's like asking what's the difference between a 6 foot sword and 3 2 foot daggers lined up to equal 6 feet. Stark doesn't have a giant cero (not that we have seen). He shoots lots and lots of average sized ceros so I still don't see how your logic works here.

Geez, take the time to read your opponent's replies first.
I didn't disagree with you on that.
In fact I agree with most of what you've said, except the vasto lorde part, because that's what I wrote on the previous page.

Except you didn't post that and I wasn't responding to you? Why are we even arguing if we mostly agree then?