Bleach Theorys, finally.

[Whewt22]

Yea, we thought so too!

[overdose456]

i think both Kisuke and aizen wer working together and kisuke found out how to do it and realized that aizen was up to no good so he hid that thing in rukia and left for the human world in a geiguy and when ichigo came he mad a nother thing that brakes the barrier between hollow and human thats why ichigo can go into hollow form then aizen used that thing he took out of rukia and made the real espada like Ulquiorra, and grimmjow

[Whewt22]

Kisuke was working with Mayuri not Aizen, and Rukia wasn't apart of the gotei 13 yet. He had to take the Vizard to Earth, to finish working on them, so he obviously took the hogyoku with him there.
Ichigo has an inner hollow due to the fact that he was able to resist transformation, and become a shinigami instead. Im thinking that obtaining Shinigami powers while obtaining hollow at the same time, is sort of like a natural hogyoku.
But yes, Aizen finally figured out where Kisue was hiding it, and did everything he could to get it. He did, and the newest espada, are created by the hogyoku.

[overdose456]

lol ooooooo this gets confusing

[Whewt22]

Well noone knows this part for sure.

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Ichigo has an inner hollow due to the fact that he was able to resist transformation, and become a shinigami instead. Im thinking that obtaining Shinigami powers while obtaining hollow at the same time, is sort of like a natural hogyoku.

But he wasn't infected like the Vizard, neither was the hogyoku used on him like it was the Vizard. One of the major differences in the two are, the Vizard were already Shinigami, whereas Ichigo was not. While transforming, his body didn't deteriorate like a normal soul would. Which mean't he was able to resist it like the Vizard did.

The speculation, is that him obtaining his shinigami powers in the midst of becoming a hollow, overpowered his hollow transformation. Which had already established a conscious mind, and was drived deep within his soul.
((Hinted at by Ichigos zanpaktou"Old man Zangetsu", and hollow speaking to each other within his soul.)) So basically, forming a new hybrid, of Shinigami/hollow. He was able to dissolve the boundires between hollow and shinigami without the help of the hogyoku.

Im typing this on the run so I may of missed some points, and messed something up. Anyone else, have any thoughts, if not i'll be back tonight, to fix it, if there are any.

[Tomestone4454]

i like the second post

[vezryl]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Well noone knows this part for sure.



But he wasn't infected like the Vizard, neither was the hogyoku used on him like it was the Vizard. One of the major differences in the two are, the Vizard were already Shinigami, whereas Ichigo was not. While transforming, his body didn't deteriorate like a normal soul would. Which mean't he was able to resist it like the Vizard did.

The speculation, is that him obtaining his shinigami powers in the midst of becoming a hollow, overpowered his hollow transformation. Which had already established a conscious mind, and was drived deep within his soul.
((Hinted at by Ichigos zanpaktou"Old man Zangetsu", and hollow speaking to each other within his soul.)) So basically, forming a new hybrid, of Shinigami/hollow. He was able to dissolve the boundires between hollow and shinigami without the help of the hogyoku.

Im typing this on the run so I may of missed some points, and messed something up. Anyone else, have any thoughts, if not i'll be back tonight, to fix it, if there are any.

Actually I'd say that sums it up quite nicely. Though if I might make modification to the "ovepowering the transformation". In essence Ichigo is still part hollow, basically the illegitimate love child between hollow and shinigami. Not completely Hollow, but not completely shinigami.
A good analogy might be the process of equilibrium, when this occurs in a chemical reaction the two rates of reaction become stable and the substances form the end product at the same rate as they come apart.

Now obviously I'm not trying to say that Ichigo is tearing apart and also building himself back together, but just like in equilibrium he's neither the end product (shinigami), nor has he fallen apart and become a hollow. He's basically somewhere in the middle, a little bit of both.

I wouldn't say it was so much "overpowered" as equalled.

[Whewt22]

Yea, I only said overpowered, because he seems to stop the process completley. Seemed like overpowered was fitting at the time, but thanks for a better choice of words.

[Balling like a fool]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Well noone knows this part for sure.



But he wasn't infected like the Vizard, neither was the hogyoku used on him like it was the Vizard. One of the major differences in the two are, the Vizard were already Shinigami, whereas Ichigo was not. While transforming, his body didn't deteriorate like a normal soul would. Which mean't he was able to resist it like the Vizard did.

The speculation, is that him obtaining his shinigami powers in the midst of becoming a hollow, overpowered his hollow transformation. Which had already established a conscious mind, and was drived deep within his soul.
((Hinted at by Ichigos zanpaktou"Old man Zangetsu", and hollow speaking to each other within his soul.)) So basically, forming a new hybrid, of Shinigami/hollow. He was able to dissolve the boundires between hollow and shinigami without the help of the hogyoku.

Im typing this on the run so I may of missed some points, and messed something up. Anyone else, have any thoughts, if not i'll be back tonight, to fix it, if there are any.

um, "drived".... driven?

so, in the event that ichigo's inner hollow takes control of him, he will undoubtedly still use zangetsu. is he still a vaizard?

[vezryl]

I'd imagine so. To be honest I think one has to think of him as having multiple personality disorder, he maintains the same physical being except for the eyes and mask so he is still a vaizard, but the dominant personality changes.