Shinji Hirako Discussion (Spoilers)

[Runne666]

Originally Posted by drzorba

I think he is mixing bleach up with a different anime or something. You don't store SP. Once you used your power you would be back to square one if that were the case. Reading those last few pages made my head hurt. The convo started out interesting then headed way down hill.

no, i have the same one. i was thinking of when Ishida stored SP in little vials, figured a shinigami of Aizen's rank might be able to store it in his body. and that's completely wrong. if you use all of your reiatsu you don't go back to "square one", you just have to wait until it replenishes.

[vezryl]

Originally Posted by Runne666

again not true. Ganju isn't a shinigami, automatically giving the advantage to the veteran Yamamoto. and for rukia, you just admitted that her reiatsu recovered while she was in SS. the reason it recovered quicker then it would have in the real world (gigai or not) is because of the excess SP in SS.

Aiii, I wasn't going to do this but I'm about to butt in.

The only real time abundance of spirit partices helps is if you can consciously accelarate the amount you're absorbing, like Quincy or Bounto can. Other than that you're just going at the same rate, you're absorbing the same amount. Only difference is there's more out there. The reason Rukia's reiatsu shot up when she went to soul society is because she got out of the gigai which was draining out all her reiatsu at a steady rate making her equal to a human. Since you never really grasped this we'll do a small formula.

Shinigami power = +1
Gigai = -1
Human power = 0

Shinigam power (+1) + Gigai (-1) = Human power (0)

So obviously, even if you're absorbing, you're also losing, keeping you at 0 state.

However when you don't have the Gigai I suppose you just charge like a battery.


ALSO
Shinigami's zanpakutou don't boost their statistical power, just releases a new form of the sword which tends to have the perk of more techniques, only the arrancar's resureccion gives a statistical power boost. That might sound irrelevant at first but it means that Yamamoto doesn't have an advantage, sure he can use a few new fire techniques but Ganju has his own demon arts and they're earth based. So each of them have techniquesthat the other can't use, making them equal. Except for the fact that earth > fire so ganju has the advantage.

But I don't think you could just charge your reiatsu over a few aeons and come out on top, it's probably more of the battery concept i stated before, you charge til you cap, then you raise that cap through general obscure training, resolve, and dramatic fights.

[vezryl]

Not necessarily so. We have no gauge on age, or experience, we know that the captain commander is hella old but some people seem to age in ss while others dont, thus for all we know ganju could've been like the third bloke into SS. We don't have any idea of his experience whatsoever to be honest. I mean really, how many times have you seen levels of power fluctuate from being cowering weakling to menos-slaying overlord in a single moment? Hanatarō Yamada is a good example of that.

Just cus ya didnt see something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Runne666]

yes, but if he were that expiereinced then ss would consider him and his sister more of a threat. or they would have recruited him. and we know that Yamamoto is awesomly powerful because he took on two of the more powerful captains simultaneously and even they were afraid of him.

[Balling like a fool]

i dont understand why theres a debate over yama vs ganju. i said that as an argument to the concept of saving up reiatsu lol.

[vezryl]

Again, fluctuation is a staple in bleach, shouldnt take any power gauge seriously, also you only adressed a small portion of my several paragraphs there.

And Ballin' i used a small amount of my pragraph about removing the concept of natural advantage to carry on the subject of reiatsu capacity, and it seemed that he read everything othr than the important parts.

[Runne666]

fluctuations aren't actually as common as you might think. yes, people can suddenly become powerful, but the people who were already super powerful don't make a habit of suddenly getting their asses kicked. especially not the Captain Commander.

and i have no idea balling.

[TheLegendofMetal]

That might sound irrelevant at first but it means that Yamamoto doesn't have an advantage, sure he can use a few new fire techniques but Ganju has his own demon arts and they're earth based. So each of them have techniques that the other can't use, making them equal. Except for the fact that earth > fire so ganju has the advantage.-vezryl

did i miss something here? why are you comparing ganju to yammy? lol what advantage? he would get pwnedX3, period. since when has bleach given elemental advantages?

[vezryl]

I love the way you all pick and choose what to adress and what not to. You picked a small part of a long comment and concentrated on that, despite the fact that it was there to eliminate the "Advantage and disadvantage" scenario that would make yamamoto supremely more powerful and nothing more.

You all took 4 paragraphs, ignored the 2 that contained the main subject, ignored one that contained an arbitrary theory to support balling's, then concentrated on a single paragraph.

But yeah. You all did an intelligent thing and should continue *****ing as opposed to reading more thoroughly on the main concepts of my post, right?

[Zambo92]

I cant believe Aizen did a number on his own captain but shinji is really strong now thanks to him as are the rest of the Vizard group!