Best zanpaktou [SPOILERS]

[ByakuyaKuchiki]

Originally Posted by Mreaper

I'm not really sure what we're debating though? I'm saying he has a decent chance, what are you guys arguing?

I'm not saying Kira sucks. I was more just arguing that Kidou based Zans would have an advantage over him. Could he overcome their advantage? Possibly, but it's an advantage nonetheless.

Any intelligent fighter is going to know not to start crossing swords with him. They're going to use kidou and long range attacks. Hell, even Hinamori will have an advantage there.

The outcome of the fight will rely on the ability of the combatant, but all things even Kira will lose.

[foxuzamaki]

Originally Posted by Mreaper

Ok, first of all it's not the actual weight that matters, it's the fact that it's suddenly twice as heavy as before. You'll have to adjust, no matter how little, and your opponent can make use of that. And I think the sword's weight differs pretty much between captains for that matter.
They may be elites, but somehow I've never gotten the feeling that anyone but the senior-4 are expert swordsmen. The rest seem to be ability fighters... or just raw power in Komamura's or kenpachi's case

And Kira doesn't have an advantage just because of his kidou, but he's actually good with it. He can cast binding spells and so on, which aid him in scoring hits on the enemy weapon.
I'm not really sure what we're debating though? I'm saying he has a decent chance, what are you guys arguing?

as i stated earlier getting hit by the blade once most likely will not effect the handler of the sword phsyscially quite yet, they wouldnt notice it being tht since they are shinigami who are soldiers therefore train their bodys on a daily basis 2 time the weight is probably nothing and as shown in the anime the opponents of kira take several hits whn blocking and parrying before they notice the weight difference, but u may be giving kira a lil too much credit, especially in the kido area, whn hitsu wasent even targeting kira as a target and was fighting gin in shikai, hitsu warned him and he also got caught in it, of hitsu's shikai will freeze him just by being close to him and couldnt even guarantee his safety kira, was scared senseless from it i can see kira being able to do such things to rukia sure but for a cpt like hitsugaya? most likely not, he wouldnt be able to get close to him

[Mreaper]

To be fair, Kira's mental state back then can only be classified as "extremely confused"

[Vincent1875]

Originally Posted by foxuzamaki

aizen's zan specializes in illusions, he made them think thts wht his zan does, in the bleach universe so far only aizen has the ability to do this
and i assume atleast Lt and up has to show it, and in the case of Lts, theirs probably not a test of "if u have bankai show" being as its extremly rare for a Lt to have bankai and even more rarer for lesser seats, which is probably y ikkaku can be under the radar for so long

I'm saying that it seemed like Aizen volunteered to show his sword and wasn't required to. He seemed to volunteer just to make people think his sword did something else.

[SynergY]

I don't get why you all think because Kenpachi is so bad ass (which he isn't, he's annoying), that he can kick everyone's ass in one hit. And how do you think he has such inhuman strength? Sure, he has enormous reiatsu, but I haven't seen many signs of him having super-human strength.

Kenpachi can lick my balls.
Considering a 2.5 pound blade:
One parry~6.3 lbs
Two parries~15.6 lbs
Three parries~40 lbs
Four parries~97.6 lbs
Five parries~244.1 lbs

If you're telling me Kira can't block four hits from Kenpachi, either Kira deserves to be a 10th seat, or Kenpachi can flick Aizen to death with his index finger.

[Vincent1875]

How about the fact that Kenpatchi stops the attacks of strong people like Ichigo and the fifth esparda with one hand, or that he can fight such people with one arm.

[ByakuyaKuchiki]

Originally Posted by Vincent1875

How about the fact that Kenpatchi stops the attacks of strong people like Ichigo and the fifth esparda with one hand, or that he can fight such people with one arm.

Bingo Vincent! Nnoitra was one of the strongest characters in the bleach universe and Kenpachi grabbed his blade bare handed like it was an infant swinging a rattle.

[ByakuyaKuchiki]

Originally Posted by SynergY

If you're telling me Kira can't block four hits from Kenpachi, either Kira deserves to be a 10th seat, or Kenpachi can flick Aizen to death with his index finger.

Can it be both?

[ulqui]

toshiro is ftw... i'm getting tired of.... GETSUGA TENSHOU!!!! ahhhh. ichigo needs a new move, just my opinion. don't get me wrong, zangetsu and ichigo still pwn. but it'd be nice to see some new attacks or something. guess we'll just have to wait and see what awesome ideas the mangaka thinks of next. ^^

[Vincent1875]

It's pretty much a fact that Kenpatchi's a beast. He's not annoying in the least and is one of the 5 most BA people in the entire show.

I think it's safe to say Kenpatchi swings with at least couple tousand pounds of force. What I really find strange is how Synergy is adding. Who wants to bet he converted everything on that list instead of using common sense and doubling the numbers himself? He should have noticed something wrong when he came up with odd numbers though.