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Old 12-11-2008, 09:42 PM   #1111 (permalink)
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Default Re: Bleach Theorys, finally.

Yea that's how the theory started, and then adding the hogyoku to it sounded reasonable.

Yea, im thinking his ability just pushed everything away from him.
Not so much canceling but just stopping it and pushing it back before it goes off, either or.
Sorta like Pein in Naruto.
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:46 PM   #1112 (permalink)
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well it could be a kidou tehnique or maybe his sword ability
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:47 PM   #1113 (permalink)
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Uh, yea thats what we're discussing. I guess you missed the last page.
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:49 PM   #1114 (permalink)
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what now i got read the last page dam

bah forget it to much to read
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:59 PM   #1115 (permalink)
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Isshin in a gigai
That would kinda make sense i supose.
I think ichigo's hollow will take over and kill aizen to be honest
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Old 12-11-2008, 10:02 PM   #1116 (permalink)
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Isshin in a gigai
That would kinda make sense i supose.
I think ichigo's hollow will take over and kill aizen to be honest
u mean the hollow which ichigo fought and manage to gain control of will rebel and take over ichigo kiking aizen ass?
doubt it but i would like to see his hollow rebel and take over
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Old 12-12-2008, 02:32 AM   #1117 (permalink)
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Here's one of my older theories pertaining to Isshin holding the hogyoku before Rukia, and why Kisuke switched it from him to her.

So basically Isshins Gigai was Ruined when the hollow attacked in the first chapter.
Bleach 1 page 30 | One Manga ((Top left.

While in the same fight, Rukai loses her powers, and is forced to recover in a gigai. So using some critical thinking here, they both need new gigais. Isshin goes in for a new one, and Kisuke finds a new hiding spot, guess who; Rukia..

As we all know there are a few different types of gigais:
-The one used on Rukia, which turns a soul into a human and removes their shinigami abilities, and is untracable.
-The one that just houses a shinigami so they can recover etc, and is tracable..
-And one that Kisuke was working on in the Pend arc, which is the one he, Tessai, and vizard use. Which allow them to use the powers, and be seen by humans.

Now that we know Isshin and Rukia need new gigais, and we know the, known different forms of gigais. We can start the remainder of the theory.

Isshin proved to us that he had some form of powerloss, and Kisuke implied that he had something to do with it by mentioning- "If you blamed me for it, it would be problematic."

Bleach 188 page 06 | One Manga

We know the gigai Kisuke used on Rukia removes your powers slowy until your human. This gigai would explain his powerloss. This is also supported by the fact that in a regular gigai your powers can still be sensed.

Bleach 199 page 17 | One Manga
Yet, Isshin is not reconized by anyone, thus proving to me, he is in the untracable gigai.

I have also come to the conslusion that the gigai Kisuke and crew are in, do not emit their powers either, like a normal gigai. But we know Isshin is not in one of those becuase one- he doesn't weild his zanpaktou, and two hes in his uniform when fighting with his powers.

So we've established Isshin was in the untracable gigai when the hollow attacked. Kisuke is then presented with a perdiciment. Continue housing the hogyoku in a shinigami who still has a chance to retain his shinigami abilities i.e- still has some, and will still take awhile to drain. Or put it in Rukia, who has no abilities due to giving them to Ichigo. Giving her the untracable gigai that would turn her human faster. Thus hiding the hogyoku indeffenitly; faster.

Kisuke takes his chances, and he does what's best for everyone. Takes a huge risk, and implants the hogyoku in Rukia, and turns her human and spares Isshin his powers. Thus reasurring him well all be safer because she would lose her powers more quickly and it would be hidden forever more quickly.

But that doesn't explain what he's using now. But we haven't seen him leave the house since the grand fissher thus leading me to believe he is now using the gigai Kisuke is using.
It it was strange that they didn't pick up Isshin or Kisuke with their technique. It doesn't add up, I guess they didn't want to pick them up or they can't. But Isshin wasnt using the gigai Kisuke is using because he was fighting as a soul. And he had to be in something leadin up to that moment why didn't anyone notice his spritual pressure?

Or maybe your right, and the gigai Kisuke is using can't be detected and hes been using that since he kill the GF. Hense why Grimmjow didn't pick him up.
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Old 12-13-2008, 01:02 AM   #1118 (permalink)
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Haven't did this in a while...

Aizen's Bankai!
Kyōka Suigetsu, meaning "mirror flower water moon," is released with the command "scatter." According to wikipedia, the name is some fancy pants chinese idiom meaning illusion, I don't know how accurate that is, nor do I care.

1. The scattering of mirror fragments, or even flower petals, are a breaking down or tearing of real, naturally occurring objects. (Yes I realize mirrors aren't naturally occuring, but reflective surfaces are, and it doesn't change the point I'm making, so **** off)

2. Aizen fairly easily diagnosed Orihime's abilities, abilities that not even Hachi, with his similar powers, understood.

3. Aizen used the Hogekyou, which was supposed to be dormant for a year. The supposed explanation was that pumping out lots of reiatsu would awaken it, but that's a little hard for me to believe. If a large dose of reiatsu would have awoken the Hogekyou, then the pressence of the Soukyoku 2 feet from Rukia's chest should have caused some sort of reaction, possibly hollowfication.

4. Aizen is by no means a veteran, in comparison to other captains, and Yamamoto, yet he has MASTERED every form of combat, something that we have no evidence of any other Shinigami having accomplished. Some souls could have a natural edge over others, but reaching the pinnacle takes time and training, and as far as we know, Aizen hasn't had nearly as long as some of the other captains.

Aizen's shikai ability is to alter perception. I believe that his bankai ability is to actually alter reality, most likely on a small scale. It is the only logical step up, and considering some of his actions, it makes sense. I'm going to continue looking for evidence, but that's what I have so far.


Also, on a completely un-related note, I found a funny little piece of foreshadowing. The symbol for the fifth division is called the "Lily of the Valley," nicknamed the "Ladder to Heaven."
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Old 12-13-2008, 01:39 AM   #1119 (permalink)
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Wrong thread? Looks pretty well thought out from what I read though.
Or did you see the topic in another and just posted your ideas here?

Either way I stopped reading this to finish and it was pretty interesting.

We have to remember he fused with the device, presence didn't phase it.
Rukia most likely had no effect, and Kisuke handleing it most likely had no effect. But that wasn't your point, just addressing that first.

Moving on, it sounds completley reasonable. Using the example you used worked well, hopfully others catch onto it considering you didn't spell it out. But by saying he deduced her powers farily quickly unlike Hachi who has the simular powers. Implying you think his is comparable as well.
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Old 12-13-2008, 01:45 AM   #1120 (permalink)
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I think that the change reality is a fair assumption to make because its backed up by the fact that he targeted Orihime who is the only one with the power to reject reality.
I'm guessing that Aizen would have to touch the Hogekyou when pumping reiatsu into it otherwise like you said anything with a huge reiatsu close by could affect it.
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