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Old 12-16-2008, 02:13 AM   #1121 (permalink)
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Haven't did this in a while...

Aizen's Bankai!
Kyōka Suigetsu, meaning "mirror flower water moon," is released with the command "scatter." According to wikipedia, the name is some fancy pants chinese idiom meaning illusion, I don't know how accurate that is, nor do I care.

1. The scattering of mirror fragments, or even flower petals, are a breaking down or tearing of real, naturally occurring objects. (Yes I realize mirrors aren't naturally occuring, but reflective surfaces are, and it doesn't change the point I'm making, so **** off)

2. Aizen fairly easily diagnosed Orihime's abilities, abilities that not even Hachi, with his similar powers, understood.

3. Aizen used the Hogekyou, which was supposed to be dormant for a year. The supposed explanation was that pumping out lots of reiatsu would awaken it, but that's a little hard for me to believe. If a large dose of reiatsu would have awoken the Hogekyou, then the pressence of the Soukyoku 2 feet from Rukia's chest should have caused some sort of reaction, possibly hollowfication.

4. Aizen is by no means a veteran, in comparison to other captains, and Yamamoto, yet he has MASTERED every form of combat, something that we have no evidence of any other Shinigami having accomplished. Some souls could have a natural edge over others, but reaching the pinnacle takes time and training, and as far as we know, Aizen hasn't had nearly as long as some of the other captains.

Aizen's shikai ability is to alter perception. I believe that his bankai ability is to actually alter reality, most likely on a small scale. It is the only logical step up, and considering some of his actions, it makes sense. I'm going to continue looking for evidence, but that's what I have so far.


Also, on a completely un-related note, I found a funny little piece of foreshadowing. The symbol for the fifth division is called the "Lily of the Valley," nicknamed the "Ladder to Heaven."
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Here's one of my older theories pertaining to Isshin holding the hogyoku before Rukia, and why Kisuke switched it from him to her.

So basically Isshins Gigai was Ruined when the hollow attacked in the first chapter.
Bleach 1 page 30 | One Manga ((Top left.

While in the same fight, Rukai loses her powers, and is forced to recover in a gigai. So using some critical thinking here, they both need new gigais. Isshin goes in for a new one, and Kisuke finds a new hiding spot, guess who; Rukia..

As we all know there are a few different types of gigais:
-The one used on Rukia, which turns a soul into a human and removes their shinigami abilities, and is untracable.
-The one that just houses a shinigami so they can recover etc, and is tracable..
-And one that Kisuke was working on in the Pend arc, which is the one he, Tessai, and vizard use. Which allow them to use the powers, and be seen by humans.

Now that we know Isshin and Rukia need new gigais, and we know the, known different forms of gigais. We can start the remainder of the theory.

Isshin proved to us that he had some form of powerloss, and Kisuke implied that he had something to do with it by mentioning- "If you blamed me for it, it would be problematic."

Bleach 188 page 06 | One Manga

We know the gigai Kisuke used on Rukia removes your powers slowy until your human. This gigai would explain his powerloss. This is also supported by the fact that in a regular gigai your powers can still be sensed.

Bleach 199 page 17 | One Manga
Yet, Isshin is not reconized by anyone, thus proving to me, he is in the untracable gigai.

I have also come to the conslusion that the gigai Kisuke and crew are in, do not emit their powers either, like a normal gigai. But we know Isshin is not in one of those becuase one- he doesn't weild his zanpaktou, and two hes in his uniform when fighting with his powers.

So we've established Isshin was in the untracable gigai when the hollow attacked. Kisuke is then presented with a perdiciment. Continue housing the hogyoku in a shinigami who still has a chance to retain his shinigami abilities i.e- still has some, and will still take awhile to drain. Or put it in Rukia, who has no abilities due to giving them to Ichigo. Giving her the untracable gigai that would turn her human faster. Thus hiding the hogyoku indeffenitly; faster.

Kisuke takes his chances, and he does what's best for everyone. Takes a huge risk, and implants the hogyoku in Rukia, and turns her human and spares Isshin his powers. Thus reasurring him well all be safer because she would lose her powers more quickly and it would be hidden forever more quickly.

But that doesn't explain what he's using now. But we haven't seen him leave the house since the grand fissher thus leading me to believe he is now using the gigai Kisuke is using.
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This is another theory!
And it's about Shinji Hirakos powers. My take is an ability in which cancels or negates others abilities. Remeber this- Shikai can be released without command when bankai is obtained.

Bleach -107 page 18 | One Manga

Here we see Shinji has noticed or idenifed an ability, and he pulls Aizen/ imposter out of some form of Kidou, or ability.

Bleach 215 page 14 | One Manga
Bleach 215 page 15 | One Manga

Here again Shinji notices an ability being using, looks like getsuga tenshou.
And he uses what looks like some force that cancels it.


Bleach 236 page 01 | One Manga
Bleach 236 page 02 | One Manga

Here Grimmjow is starting up a cero, and the same "force" is used again, and cancels the cero. Then we pannel over to Shinji with his zanpaktou out.

So we've established that this "force" has somekind of impact on others abilities.

I feel like these needed a bump, we didn't really discuss much on them.
Plus Ballings should be interesting to discuss, I just included mine because I enjoy reading them.

The first one is a theory on Aizens Bankai. The second is a theory of Isshin holding the hogyoku, why Kisuke used Rukia, and Isshins loss of power. And the third is Shinjis shikai.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:29 AM   #1122 (permalink)
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Bleach -99 page 021 | One Manga
Bleach -98 page 01 | One Manga

Do you guys notice something simular in these pages?

- Yea the vice captain arm band hitting the ground and Aizen not picking it up before he leaves. Tite seemed to put a little emphasis on it, but I missed it until now. Someone might of found it, which would eventually lead to realizing Kisuke was telling the truth. Which is irrelevant now, but it leads me to a few things.

Someone else may be covering up for Aizen, it may be central covering up their mistake but I can't say for certain. And Aizen never misses any detail, which is strange that he would leave himself vulnerable like this. Maybe he wnated someone to find it? Don't know but it peaked my intrest. Opinions?

And check out the theories quoted above their quite entertaining to read. Aizens bankai prediction and Shinjis shikai prediction.
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:08 AM   #1123 (permalink)
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Nice Whewt. As usual. But while I was looking at your Isshin theory, something clicked while I was reading the Isshin/Kisuke dialogue.

Bleach 188 page 08 | One Manga
Bleach 188 page 09 | One Manga

Seems that Isshin and Kisuke aren't too fond of the Vizard, meaning they shouldn't exactly be having any ties with them. Also, when I read this:
Bleach 188 page 11 | One Manga
Bleach 188 page 12 | One Manga

I guess I can put together that Isshin has some source of knowledge in Soul Society. And since Kisuke hasn't contacted Isshin in a while,
Bleach 188 page 04 | One Manga
How can he know? Maybe Yoruichi contacts him too occasionally just to keep him updated? I don't know, what do you guys think?



EDIT: Pertaining to the post above me, maybe there is some deep ass twist such as Yamamoto covering up for Aizen? I have no evidence at all, and it doesn't even sound likely, but it's just my sick mind at work. Let me research and see what I find..
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:03 PM   #1124 (permalink)
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Yea somethings weird. Kisuke knows how and why they use "forbidden techniques to obtain hollow powers." Shit- he gave his son hollow powers, and Issin seems to know that. They wouldn't contact Ichigo unless he had th ability, and Isshin doesn't seem to care. Plus he knows Kisukes banished he must of asked why. Doesn't make sense why he would dislike the vizard unless they did something nuts since they left. Which is likely considering Kisuke predicted they would contact him.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:11 PM   #1125 (permalink)
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Yea somethings weird. Kisuke knows how and why they use "forbidden techniques to obtain hollow powers." Shit- he gave his son hollow powers, and Issin seems to know that. They wouldn't contact Ichigo unless he had th ability, and Isshin doesn't seem to care. Plus he knows Kisukes banished he must of asked why. Doesn't make sense why he would dislike the vizard unless they did something nuts since they left. Which is likely considering Kisuke predicted they would contact him.
Lmao how weird. Or maybe it's a mistake? Is KT starting to improvise Bleach now and throwing random shit around? Because if I see Isshin and Kisuke make a grand entrance with the Vizard's, it'll break my heart.

But Isshin's Captain cape drives me nuts. That man is full of mystery. I just can't help but wonder where he gets his information from.
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Old 01-12-2009, 09:50 PM   #1126 (permalink)
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*in awe* wow.. see I don't have enough energy / imagination to think some of this stuff up :O but it all seems really possible.
Aizen's bankai being able to alter reality is really sweet, though, if it did have such a power then he really wouldn't need the kings key to become 'god' so I'm not really sure there.
Whilst thinking about that, I got to thinking that Aizen being all powerful and mastering all these techniques and such, what if he's actually related to the king of SS? I dunno like his son or something? Cos as you said he hasn't exactly had that much time to do so.
And here Bleach 188 page 09 | One Manga they were actually looking for the vizard but could never find them, meaning isshin and kisuke worked together before to try and find them, maybe they were like a special team assigned to earth to find / figure them out.. but that wouldn't make sense with the whole aizen and isshin not having powers fiasco.. meh I dunno
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Dunno, but why Isshin had no powers is another theory above- LOL!
They banished Kisuke as soon as he left. So soul society sending him on a special team to find them wouldn't happen. Plus Kisuke saved all their lives, I don't really know what's going on. But Isshin being sent here for the vizard and hiding the hogyoku is always what I though he was there for.
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oki so the special team goes out the window hehe
but gah, thinkin about isshin has always got me confused,
so I'm deciding to re read on me pendulum arc :P and.. 10th kenpachi.. I know that isn't zaraki, we got any clues or leads to who it might be? could it be our isshin? I dunno really http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.01/10/ loose cannon and marching to the beat of his own drum.. sorta reminds me of ichi / isshin.. doubtful but still
hm so he didn't leave SS of his own accord either http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.03/12/
so he may have been put in that good old detention spot :/ soz if I'm spoutin crap :P just callin it as I see it hahaha
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Well Kenpachi had to kill the captain to obtain the rank, not injure him to the extent of getting back up. So he can't really be the 10th Kenpachi- I think it may be Zaraki. I believe hes one of the royal guard, but the king has no intrest in the world of the living. So the king sending Isshin isn't logical, I just dont know rofl.
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Actually scratch that anyway, just remembered shinji doesn't remember isshin... Bleach 187 page 03 | One Manga =/ which is confusing as shinji was a captain before kisuke and most prob in SS for quite a while before kisuke so you'd think that he'd be more likely to know who he is. But yeah the royal guard theory is pretty sound, but true.. OMFG! damn you isshin even though he was chasing after the vizards they don't know who he is ¬¬ he's mates with the last quincy and a twisted scientist exile ¬¬ and we know very little about him =/ can't piece to together
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