Bleach Theories

[Whewt22]

Well he said amung the espada. We've actually never seen Starrk as a hollow so meh. The logic of: if one is the other is, isn't really applicable. Barragan has shown some traits far above that of Starrk, and would be the epitome of vasto based on several things.

I don't really think it's even debatable that Weiss is anything but vasto!

[RoyalKiD90]

i dont know, i mean vaste lorde are supposedly stronger than a captain already, and after the arrancar process thingy, they should be even more powerfull
only reason why barragan had the upperhand was because he was facing soifon, and shes weak, especially compared to the 8th division captain, who defeated stark with only his shikai while stark being in his released from
besides, i dont think the vaste lorde look like human, but are similiar in size and shape, cause thats what hitsugaya said, nothing more specific, right?
but to make it fair though, the 8th division captain is probably the second strongest char in bleach right after the old man
(zaraki has mostly high spirit power, and is too crazy to fight real strong opponent, and aizen cant be beaten because of his shikai being seen by the previous mentioned)
especially because the stark and barraggan did have a humanoid size and shape in the flashbacks, so...yeah

[animethebest54]

i thought like 4 and up in the espada were vasto cause they are close to looking human in their release states

[Guardian Outlaw]

i don't think Stark is died.... or maybe i'm in denial

[toad moad]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Well he said amung the espada. We've actually never seen Starrk as a hollow so meh. The logic of: if one is the other is, isn't really applicable. Barragan has shown some traits far above that of Starrk, and would be the epitome of vasto based on several things.

I don't really think it's even debatable that Weiss is anything but vasto!

the reason i say if one is then the other is also is because of the simple fact that Vasto's are suppose to be the strongest of hollows and so should have no chance of being topped by an adjucha. but still the only Gillian in the espada held the lowest spot at #9 and so i would hope just like a gillian cant top a adjucha that the same goes for adjuchas compared to Vasto's. Stark in his flashback was more human than Barragan, which is only because he had skin. lol but yea if Barragan's a Vasto and Stark isn't it shall disturb me. lol

I just say may for WW because simple fact that it hasn't been said straight out he is Vasto, but im very sure he is.

And it would be nice if he wasn't^^^^, but i doubt it.

[Whewt22]

Well considering espada is above fraccion and numerous, the nineth espada was a gillian above adjuchas. And Starrk looked more human in his fashback because he was an arrancar, that wasn't his hollow form. You can't really base anything on how Aizen ranks his espada; obviously, look at Yammy. He clearly isn't vasto yet ranked higher than both Starrk and Baragan.

So in short, being a higher rank doesn't mean higher class. Just because one is, doesn't mean the other is. On another note though, there is alot of evidence suggesting Weiss being vasto, him being anything else isn't really debatable imo. Im looking foreward to his fight with Kensei!!!

[Mreaper]

Plus unreleased Yammy was #10, meaning he was below #9 until he released.
So in their sealed states an Adjuchas(or whatever Yammy is) can be below a Gillian(with an extraordinary ability).

[vezryl]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Well considering espada is above fraccion and numerous, the nineth espada was a gillian above adjuchas. And Starrk looked more human in his fashback because he was an arrancar, that wasn't his hollow form. You can't really base anything on how Aizen ranks his espada; obviously, look at Yammy. He clearly isn't vasto yet ranked higher than both Starrk and Baragan.

So in short, being a higher rank doesn't mean higher class. Just because one is, doesn't mean the other is. On another note though, there is alot of evidence suggesting Weiss being vasto, him being anything else isn't really debatable imo. Im looking foreward to his fight with Kensei!!!

To guess which of the Espada are vasto lorde would be futile right now, there's just not enough difference in power to set one significantly above the other when it comes to starrk and barragan. They were just powerful for different reasons.

And I've been saying Wonderweiss is yer Vasto Lorde ever since the Kisuke fight -_- and you know it Whewt. I was also right about ranks btw :P

[HollowX]

Originally Posted by Mreaper

Plus unreleased Yammy was #10, meaning he was below #9 until he released.
So in their sealed states an Adjuchas(or whatever Yammy is) can be below a Gillian(with an extraordinary ability).

Yami sucks...

[JverBeta]

Originally Posted by HollowX

Yami sucks...

i think he's not supposed to be an espada, also i think stark was holding back, he did say he'd rather not fight...