Character Discussion - Isshin Kurosaki(Spoilers)

[Urahara _kiske]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Still off, he was talking about Kaien, Rukias previous Vice captain. I would quote it all and piece it all out for you, but that would be too much work.

lol..... i see.... but one more questions why is isshin keeping his abilities away from his son.?

[Whewt22]

Here I did it because i'd hate for you to be out of the loop! haha...Have fun reading it, make sure you read the manga text.

Originally Posted by Balling like a fool

ive been playing with this thought for a while, what if ichigo doesnt even have any shinigami powers? that whole thing with the pit at urahara's, that was supposed to bring back his shinigami powers. this is also the point where he started to develop his hollow powers. maybe, ALL he got from that pit was hollow powers. and the residuals of rukias power inside him, or possibly contact with the hogekyou (rukia), turned his inner hollow into an arrancar. making it appear like he had shinigami powers, when really, he has arrancar powers. were all assuming ichigo is a vaizard, when he may very well be an arrancar.

this is maybe a stretch, i dont even believe it myself, but its just a thought.

Originally Posted by drzorba

All of that makes sence except for the random sword part. It is not some random sword he got when he took Rukias power. The sword is a manisfestation of his spiritual energy.

Secondly I think you hit on a major bomb of a realization. He stabbed himself with Rukia's sword to gain his powers in the first place, and it awoke his own powers within him, but Rukia had the hoyokegen in her when he took her powers. That may have been what awoke his powers and they were arrancar in nature. Maybe his spiritual pressure is so high (would have to be more than Aizen's because Aizen tried to use it to create arrancar and failed...sort of) that he was able to transform into a full arrancar.

Originally Posted by Balling like a fool

well see, he wouldnt look like an arrancar, because its his inner hollow that would be an arrancar. in essence, he wouldnt be an arrancar, he would just be drawing power from his inner arrancar. and maybe, he doesnt even have shikai or bankai. maybe the fact that his sword is permanently released, is because thats just a random sword that ichigo has. and when he goes bankai, its his inner hollow releasing his zanpakuto.

because outwardly, ichigo only has one release, just like an arrancar.

and maybe all of the getsuga tenshous and stuff are just cero blasts.

it would also make sense, because a "complete" arrancar shouldnt have a mask at all, all of aizen's arrancar havent been able to fully remove the mask, whereas ichigo's inner hollow doesnt even wear a mask. so maybe ichigo's inner hollow is the only "true" arrancar in existence, and ichigo isnt a shinigami at all, just a medium for the hollow inside of him.

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Kisuke seperated Ichigos soul from his body, eventually cutting his chain of fate, seperating his body from his soul. Thus throwing him into the death cycle.




Ichigo is a rare case, I doubt any soulreaper other than him has an inner hollow. Due to the fact that they most likely passed over before the hollow process began. Or they were born there.

Ok so, once you die, your a spirit until you:
A: Become a hollow
B: Become a soul reaper
C: Your spirit is just sent to Soul society to live, (becomeing a soul reaper there, if you have the powers too)
Soo...Ichigo being forced into one of those 3 we can cross out option C since, noone was going to pass him over. He started his hollow transformation, and in the mist of it, found his shinigami abilities, which suppresed his hollow transformation. But didn't get rid of the hollow, just forced him into his soul. Thus creating a shinigami with an inner hollow.

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Naw, heh not really.. It tells you what happens, just re-read it. But heres some help.

Basically all hes saying is that when Byakuya Kuchiki, destroyed Rukias powers within him.




He didn't realize that Ichigo had his own shinigami powers.
I guess being of pure blood, his father being a shinigami might help with that.

[Urahara _kiske]

Originally Posted by Balling like a fool

ive been playing with this thought for a while, what if ichigo doesnt even have any shinigami powers? that whole thing with the pit at urahara's, that was supposed to bring back his shinigami powers. this is also the point where he started to develop his hollow powers. maybe, ALL he got from that pit was hollow powers. and the residuals of rukias power inside him, or possibly contact with the hogekyou (rukia), turned his inner hollow into an arrancar. making it appear like he had shinigami powers, when really, he has arrancar powers. were all assuming ichigo is a vaizard, when he may very well be an arrancar.

this is maybe a stretch, i dont even believe it myself, but its just a thought.

oka... well um wat i have to say about this if that was tru wouln rukia have hollow powers .... meaning the hoykuko was not activated ... so it dont matter if he can in cantact with hoykuko............. with is irrelevent any way cuz that whole state ment was fals lol

[Urahara _kiske]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Here I did it because i'd hate for you to be out of the loop! haha...Have fun reading it, make sure you read the manga text.












Basically all hes saying is that when Byakuya Kuchiki, destroyed Rukias powers within him.




He didn't realize that Ichigo had his own shinigami powers.
I guess being of pure blood, his father being a shinigami might help with that.

thanks ..... oh .. there is one thing i noticed by reading that ...


- stark looks like zangetsu when manifested ...o.o

[Balling like a fool]

Originally Posted by Urahara _kiske

oka... well um wat i have to say about this if that was tru wouln rukia have hollow powers .... meaning the hoykuko was not activated ... so it dont matter if he can in cantact with hoykuko............. with is irrelevent any way cuz that whole state ment was fals lol

it was a theory, not something i claimed to be true.

and the rest of this if for you too whewt. this whole theory of mine is based on the fact that, i completely understand how the incident with the hole brought about his hollow powers. BUT, i dont understand how that whole ordeal would have anything to do with his shinigami powers. so, assume that it didnt.

i realize that he got his hollow after he lost rukia's powers, but is it possible, that, while he lost all of rukia's shinigami powers, maybe residual power of the hogekyou, dormant or not, was left within him, and activated by his immense spiritual pressure, during the ordeal where his inner hollow came into being, transforming it into an arrancar. then it would appear that he has shinigami powers, when they are really arrancar powers.

and, when we finally start to see his hollow powers manifest, its because his inner arrancar is learning to release his zanpakuto, so the mask manifests. this also would explain why ichigo only has one observable zanpakuto release, and also, why he only wears the mask while in bankai.

btw, those manga clips u posted also cleared up the question of the "walking on air" thread, im not sure if you did that intentionally? or if it was an added perk

[Urahara _kiske]

Originally Posted by Balling like a fool

it was a theory, not something i claimed to be true.

and the rest of this if for you too whewt. this whole theory of mine is based on the fact that, i completely understand how the incident with the hole brought about his hollow powers. BUT, i dont understand how that whole ordeal would have anything to do with his shinigami powers. so, assume that it didnt.

i realize that he got his hollow after he lost rukia's powers, but is it possible, that, while he lost all of rukia's shinigami powers, maybe residual power of the hogekyou, dormant or not, was left within him, and activated by his immense spiritual pressure, during the ordeal where his inner hollow came into being, transforming it into an arrancar. then it would appear that he has shinigami powers, when they are really arrancar powers.

and, when we finally start to see his hollow powers manifest, its because his inner arrancar is learning to release his zanpakuto, so the mask manifests. this also would explain why ichigo only has one observable zanpakuto release, and also, why he only wears the mask while in bankai.

btw, those manga clips u posted also cleared up the question of the "walking on air" thread, im not sure if you did that intentionally? or if it was an added perk

hummmm. but if he had arrancar powers .. then instead of a maske... he would have a full body arrancar.......... but any ways that fact is invalid .... cuz he couldnt be an arrancar cuz ...

1 an arrancar is a hollow that had his mask broken off to rech new powers ..... the only simalarity between a holow and a shinigami is they both have a zanpactou that they have to release .... peroid



2the vizards wouldnt of trained him .... so

INVALID !!!

[Balling like a fool]

Originally Posted by Urahara _kiske

hummmm. but if he had arrancar powers .. then instead of a maske... he would have a full body arrancar.......... but any ways that fact is invalid .... cuz he couldnt be an arrancar cuz ...

1 an arrancar is a hollow that had his mask broken off to rech new powers ..... the only simalarity between a holow and a shinigami is they both have a zanpactou that they have to release .... peroid



2the vizards wouldnt of trained him .... so

INVALID !!!

if thats your argument, then clearly you didnt understand my points.

HE isnt an arrancar, his inner hollow is. his inner hollow is a hollow that had its masked ripped off, by the power of the hogekyou. and the only similarity between ichigo and a shinigami is that he has a zanpakuto. he doesnt use kido... for all we know ichigo's inner hollow, does become a fully released arrancar. the mask is the little bit of power that seeps through from inside of ichigo, to the outside.

and the vaizards WOULD have trained him, because they wouldnt have known that ichigo was different than the normal vaizard.


and, yet again, its just a theory, i dont think this is fact or anything, its just an alternate possibility.

[Whewt22]

Haha yea I noticed the air walking thing as soon as it posted.
But anyways I know it was just a theory and it sounds possible, but its all based on maybes. I just wanted to clear it up for people, what actually happened as far as we know, up to now.
That would be a pretty badass theory though.

[DarkSlayer]

For Kisuke saying that the Vizards wouldnt train him, Whewt said that we have never seen a FULL arrancar, that aizen never realy made a complete one. Going by this assumption, how would the vizards know? Ichigo's hollow doesnt have a mask. And when ichigo's body turns hollow, there wasnt a mask. So its possible ichigo is the only real arrancar. Like someone with split personality's.

[Whewt22]

Originally Posted by DeathG0d

For Kisuke saying that the Vizards wouldnt train him, Whewt said that we have never seen a FULL arrancar, that aizen never realy made a complete one. Going by this assumption, how would the vizards know? Ichigo's hollow doesnt have a mask. And when ichigo's body turns hollow, there wasnt a mask. So its possible ichigo is the only real arrancar. Like someone with split personality's.

Vizards wouldn't train who? I don't remember Kisuke saying anything long of lines of that. At most I remember him saying they made contact with Ichigo.
The hollow had a mask, Ichigo was wearing it after he defeated his hollow. We see it everytime Ichigo uses the power.

Anyways, soul burials, and achieveing Bankai with the command Bankai, isnt something arrancar do. If he said something along of lines of "Slash Zangetsu" and turned into some form of a hollow, I would consider his hollow being an arrancar.

But the undline line factor here is, we saw the birth of his hollow in Kisukes hole. Simply standing around Rukia while the hogyoku is still sealed and in slumber won't have any affect on his hollow. The only time I could see it maybe having any affect on him, would be when he stabbed himself with her blade, but his hollow was non-existant at that time. Hes of shinigami blood, not hollow.