Character Discussion - Isshin Kurosaki(Spoilers)

[DeathView]

I think if isshin was of the Gotei 13, he was in the 10th sqaud...don't think there is much background there
and I'm still all for him being in the zero squad at one point

also heres a random theory...I'll need to find evidence to support it...but the 10th kenpachi...could he be working with Aizen ?
shinji calls him a loose cannon, so he could he easily do stuff in the back ground and no one would notice...
also he said people are too scared of him to do anything about it...if he was so scary would he lose to kenpachi who only traveled rokungkai and had no experience has a shinigami or fighting shinigami?

[Whewt22]

Originally Posted by Mreaper

Yeah, see, I don't think it actually counts as "die" unless your body is destroyed or you're sent to SS/Turned hollow.
Cutting the chain was only a temporary death, as shinigami do not need the chain to keep their bodies in suspended animation(and how Urahara knows that, well either Isshin is also using his own body, which would be really weird, or it's just part of his research. Or it didn't cross Tite's mind at the moment that Ichigo was going to be the only shinigami with an actual real body to return to. Somehow I think the last one.)

When is it ever mentioned that cutting your chain is a "temporary death?" It kills you, and apon cutting the chain it begins encroaching into your chest. The only reason Ichigo is special is because he did not pass over. Ichigo no longer has a chain, thus he is dead, his body and soul are no longer attached.

And shinigami do not have chains either, I don't know what your reffering too. Saying Kisuke would know a way to preserve a dead body to such extents of practically keeping it finctioning and alive, doesn't seem logical when compared to a gigai. Shinigami use gigai to blend in or heal, they do not use their "bodies." Isshin is in a gigai, I might link my theory although it has nothing to do with Isshins time as royal guard or gotei.

[Empty_solace]

it couldnt be 4th cause the caps been there the whole time in soul society

[Karyuudan]

Originally Posted by DeathView

I think if isshin was of the Gotei 13, he was in the 10th sqaud...don't think there is much background there
and I'm still all for him being in the zero squad at one point

also heres a random theory...I'll need to find evidence to support it...but the 10th kenpachi...could he be working with Aizen ?
shinji calls him a loose cannon, so he could he easily do stuff in the back ground and no one would notice...
also he said people are too scared of him to do anything about it...if he was so scary would he lose to kenpachi who only traveled rokungkai and had no experience has a shinigami or fighting shinigami?

It could of been a short stint if he was a captain 20 years ago and Toshiro became a captain not long after that it would explain why Shinji didn't recognize him, just an idea I found on wiki; but like you I also think its more likely that he was once a member of the royal guard at some point.

As for the Kenpachi theory. It could be but wouldn't he have been revealed by now if he was? I don't see a reason for him to still be hiding anymore. The 11th Kenpachi was an unknown guy without using any releases the 10th possibly underestimated him and lost that way.

[DeathView]

Originally Posted by Empty_solace

it couldnt be 4th cause the caps been there the whole time in soul society

yeah...I stated evidence to support this on another thread, but someone said it may have been a mis-translation

and yeah I see your point about kenpachi...and when didn't shinji recognize isshin ? am I forgetting something ?

[Whewt22]

Originally Posted by DeathView

yeah...I stated evidence to support this on another thread, but someone said it may have been a mis-translation

and yeah I see your point about kenpachi...and when didn't shinji recognize isshin ? am I forgetting something ?

Bleach 187 page 03 | One Manga
Still looking for the timeline. But here's Shinji not reconizing Isshin.

[DeathView]

Oh that part..now I remember...I was trying to think of a time Isshin and Shinji met/talked to each other

[Mreaper]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

When is it ever mentioned that cutting your chain is a "temporary death?" It kills you, and apon cutting the chain it begins encroaching into your chest.

It's only temporary because apparently a Shinigami does not need to be connected to his body for it to be alive(Ichigo is pretty much the only example).
Urahara gets his body healed up using some kind of skull-labeled medicine and says "we wouldn't want you to die during training, would we now?"
Bleach 58 page 02 | One Manga

Here he says "keep on living", though that could just refer to not losing yourself to the hollow.
Bleach 61 page 13 | One Manga

The chain is just a medium between the spirit and body, a way back in for the spirit(Inoue was pretty much dead when she was ripped out).
It's kind of an out-of-body experience, but if your soul can't return then you're dead. Which happens if the chain is cut.
Thing is, the Shinigami doesn't need the chain to re-enter the body. "Death" in this case is simply a state, not an event, unless you're a permanent Plus that needs the chain to go back.
You "die" the moment you exit your body, but you're made permanently dead if the chain is broken(which for a plus is apparently when the body is too old/broken to keep functioning. As long as the body is intact, well you can put other spirits in it, can't you? Kon for example. His kind were made for real "dead" bodies. Not that I can see why, custom made Gigai should be better...)

[Whewt22]

If their a shinigami their not alive, thats a walking contradiction. And continue living means on earth, if Ichigo had any doubts or remorse he would turn into a hollow, if he did not his would be sent to soul society. Finding his power on earth prevented him from being sent to soul society and losing his memory and discovering his power there.

Shinigami can not return to their bodies if their chains are cut. There is no difference between a shinigami and a normal soul besides spiritual powers. If your deduction was plausable noone would be be in soul society, but still on earth in their bodies. What did you even base this claim off of? None of the shinigami use their real bodies when on earth. Ichigos body was made worthless the instant Kisuke cut his chain, and like any other shinigami Ichigo uses a gigai.

And no Kon is a mod soul, which were used in gigais specified to what ever that soul is modied for ie. Kon for leg power.

[DeathView]

Originally Posted by Mreaper

It's only temporary because apparently a Shinigami does not need to be connected to his body for it to be alive(Ichigo is pretty much the only example).
Urahara gets his body healed up using some kind of skull-labeled medicine and says "we wouldn't want you to die during training, would we now?"
Bleach 58 page 02 | One Manga

Here he says "keep on living", though that could just refer to not losing yourself to the hollow.
Bleach 61 page 13 | One Manga

The chain is just a medium between the spirit and body, a way back in for the spirit(Inoue was pretty much dead when she was ripped out).
It's kind of an out-of-body experience, but if your soul can't return then you're dead. Which happens if the chain is cut.
Thing is, the Shinigami doesn't need the chain to re-enter the body. "Death" in this case is simply a state, not an event, unless you're a permanent Plus that needs the chain to go back.
You "die" the moment you exit your body, but you're made permanently dead if the chain is broken(which for a plus is apparently when the body is too old/broken to keep functioning. As long as the body is intact, well you can put other spirits in it, can't you? Kon for example. His kind were made for real "dead" bodies. Not that I can see why, custom made Gigai should be better...)

you realize a shinigami isn't different the a normal soul right ? they can't enter body without there soul chain still in place, thats why they require gigai, shinigami are dead, it's as simple as that....Kon is a mod soul, it's never been stated he can be put it in any dead body..