Character Discussion - Isshin Kurosaki(Spoilers)

[Bionsan]

i think he is captain cause when he fought the Grand fisher he said that "We captains can control our zapakuto size otherwise we will have zapakutos in a size of skyscapers"

[Mreaper]

Made for custom gigai? Hah, that's only the ones from the Bount arc.
Bleach 15 page 10 | One Manga

DeathView, please show me where it's stated they can't enter their bodies without chains in place. Ichigo is the only one I know of who's turned Shinigami while still alive, so I don't think any other Shinigami has even tried. I mean, look at Rukia and how long she spent in SS before she became a Shinigami. She doesn't remember her old body or life, nor is her body in a good enough state to return to if she did.
And Shinigami do not have chains to begin with. Once they become Shinigami it serves no purpose.

It is nowhere stated that Ichigo receives a gigai, and he's very protective of his body. I'm pretty sure someone would have realized by now if he was using one. Also Shinigami seem to be pretty apt at leaving their gigai at will, while Ichigo needs devices to do this. That makes me think he's still connected to his body.
And think about it, that medicine could have been in order to keep his body functional after the chain was cut, if that really did render it useless.

[Whewt22]

When is it ever shown they can? There would be no purpose to leaving the plain of existance if you could just reenter your body apon the chain being cut. Without the soul the body is dead. The soul is the essense of the body and the body is the shell for the soul.

Ichigo was killed the instant Kisuke cut his chain, he did not obtain his sinigami powers while alive, its impossible. I'll give you the medicine having some effect on his body, thus keeping it finctional identical to a gigai. But that wouldn't be a normal case and thus plausable for every soul and everybody.

The shinigami do not live on earth, they do not have to be accounted for all the time, unlike Ichigo. Who uses Kon to cover for him. Rukia has been shown to use artifical souls like Kon whos a mod soul.

[Mreaper]

Now, this is still only about Ichigo using his body, not everyone else. Just making that clear.
Now, you say that without the soul the body is dead. Well, specify dead. As I see it, it's dead until you put another soul in it, and then it's alive again. Permanently dead would mean it's too trashed to be usable.
And of course you can't just re-enter the body once the chain is cut, you need to be a shinigami for that, and no one turns into a shinigami until they've passed on(except Ichigo, who you have to agree has been a special case from the beginning of the series).
And let's face it, how many people except ichigo had their chain cut in that fashion? Other people who die do so because their bodies aren't usable any more, and then move on to SS in waiting of being reincarnated(this is only mentioned like... once. But apparently Bleach has reincarnation, as Quincies method of killing hollows distupts that balance and could bring about the end of the world apparently.)

Aaand... I'm not really sure what your last sentence is saying. If it's about the device thingy, then I add that even when he isn't using Kon he needs the badge to exit his body.

[DeathView]

where do you get the idea shinigami can enter a body that has no chain ? Shinigami are the same as spirits, spirits of rogunkai enter Gotei 13 to become shinigami, zaraki does this, as well as many others....if spirits could enter a chainless body, people wouldn't die, after they die, they could just hop right back in there body, and soul society would be non exsistent

[itachi90]

he could hav been in the royal guard

[Mreaper]

Originally Posted by DeathView

where do you get the idea shinigami can enter a body that has no chain ? Shinigami are the same as spirits, spirits of rogunkai enter Gotei 13 to become shinigami, zaraki does this, as well as many others....if spirits could enter a chainless body, people wouldn't die, after they die, they could just hop right back in there body, and soul society would be non exsistent

Now you're just repeating what Whewt said before.
What gives you the idea that spirits are the same as shinigami? The spirits who can actually become shinigami are relatively few, and once they do become shinigami they are something very different from what they were before.
Having no spirit power or having spirit power makes all the difference in the world.
Also you might have noticed that souls retain their broken chains until they enter SS, where they disappear. Not sure if this is relevant, but I thought I should bring it up.
Oh, and you don't necessarily enter the Gotei, you could be Kidou Corps or Secret Ops(but I guess that's kinda obvious).
And "body that has no chain" isn't really a good term, IMO the spirit is the one that the chain originates from. The body isn't bound to the spirit, it's the other way around.
And as I said before, you can put a Mod-soul into a dead body.
And as I also said before, this isn't about every shinigami out there, I couldn't care less, this is about Ichigo. I see no indication as to his body becoming useless when the chain is cut, nor Urahara switching it for a gigai.

[Whewt22]

It orginaly was, but to support your arguement you've adapted every shinigami into this equation. Which isn't the case. And as we've said atleast 10 times already, a shinigami is no different than a regular soul, which puts a huge hole in your theory. Souls come equiped with powers and some don't. Becoming a shinigami makes you no different other than just having spiritual powers.

The method of which his chain was cut isn't relevant. His body was seperated from his soul like any other death. Getting hit by a bus would cut your chain from your body, getting shot in the head would cut your chain from your body. And I don't remember anything about reincarnation. Quincy kill hollows, soul and all, while shinigami purify them. In doing so, the balance between the worlds is slowly tipped towards one side, endangering both worlds.

And im still skeptical on it being his real body. Assuming a potion literally made his body a gigai seems farfetched. When him just being in a gigai seems more plausable and less strenuous to try and prove otherwise.

[Mreaper]

Hey, Urahara made an item that could remove the barrier between Hollow and Shinigami in an instant, I wouldn't put it past him to do anything with his potions.

About shinigami again. Just having spiritual powers? Considering those powers give you the ability to use Kidou, have a Zanpakuto, achieve Shikai and Bankai, send souls to SS and open a dimensional portal, I'd say that deserves a little more than a "just".
Is it really impossible that while a normal soul needs a chain to link to its body, Ichigo with spirit power doesn't, and the body still recognizes him as its master?
Heck, his body even has to recover from wounds he took in spirit form(however that adds up I'm not sure).

The method is relevant. Why? Because it didn't damage his body the slightest. Getting hit by a bus would make your body unusable.

And I just can't see how it's more plausible for him to be in a gigai. I've only seen indications in the show that it's his real body, and not a single one that it's a gigai.

Oh, about reincarnation:
Rukia says something about the souls moving in and out of SS via the cycle of reincarnation, and that Quincy killing hollow makes spirits "leak out". There's even a picture.
Bleach 46 page 03 | One Manga
Read that and you'll understand what I mean, the above line refers to the anime though, there's a slight difference in choice of words and imagery.

BTW Whewt, I kinda liked your knew avatar, why'd you change back?

[DeathView]

Originally Posted by Mreaper

Now you're just repeating what Whewt said before.
What gives you the idea that spirits are the same as shinigami? The spirits who can actually become shinigami are relatively few, and once they do become shinigami they are something very different from what they were before.
Having no spirit power or having spirit power makes all the difference in the world.
Also you might have noticed that souls retain their broken chains until they enter SS, where they disappear. Not sure if this is relevant, but I thought I should bring it up.
Oh, and you don't necessarily enter the Gotei, you could be Kidou Corps or Secret Ops(but I guess that's kinda obvious).
And "body that has no chain" isn't really a good term, IMO the spirit is the one that the chain originates from. The body isn't bound to the spirit, it's the other way around.
And as I said before, you can put a Mod-soul into a dead body.
And as I also said before, this isn't about every shinigami out there, I couldn't care less, this is about Ichigo. I see no indication as to his body becoming useless when the chain is cut, nor Urahara switching it for a gigai.

oh sorry about that, I didn't read whewts post, but yours, since you directly replied to me....where is the evidence a mod soul can be put in a dead body, I don't think this ever occurs, but i mean Urahara develops ways to keep them in dolls, so it's not impossible I suppose...as for no indication of Urahara switching body gor a gigai, i dunno, i see where your coming from, it's not really said, but why does it seem more logical to you he was put into his old body over a gigai ?

and what do you mean spirits that can become shinigami is few ? every spirit that has tried to become a shinigami has become one, hisagi was just a normal boy and he became one...also rukia could use kidou in rogunkai I think, so you can't say only shinigami could use kidou ? unless I'm mistaken