Character Discussion - Isshin Kurosaki(Spoilers)

[bloody_romance]

Originally Posted by denteddagger

One thing ive notice people not mentioning about Ishiin and Urahara is that they are best friends as Ishiin himself states in episode 111, When he is talking to Kon (while in Ichigos body) Refering to the Cloud, Ririn and Nova in hiding("Right, My Best friends Trio") Thus he and Urahara must have been close before leaving the soul society.
Another thing that struck me as odd was how Kon stated that he was Incredibly strong after Ishiin took down the sudo Arrancar with just one hit, without even using any Shinigami abilities. This was odd for me because Cloud, Ririn, Nova and Kon are all familiar with the abilities of Soul Reapers and yet they were still surprised at how easily Ishiin took down the Hollow even after it release his Sword.

Another thing that just came to mind is that Ishiin is awfully well informed about current events going on both in Soul Society and the real world( Aizen, Arrancar, Vizards and those involved) even though he hasnt spoken to Urahara in a long time as stated when Urahara greets him Stating its been along time. The Aizen story line is a pretty recent event.

Just a few things that caught my eye while reviewing the fight.

And didn't he also mentioned that he had encountered an arrancar 10 years before the main story line started?

[Urahara _kiske]

Originally Posted by drzorba

They have said many times there is a balance between the real world and soul society; and you go to soul society when you die in the real world; so wouldn't it stand to reason that you go to the real world when you die in soul society?

They take evil souls out via "the gates hell" however that could be just to remove them from the loop.

They have never shown who the previous captain of squad 11 was so it very well may have been Isshin. Maybe only those with high spiritual energy can retain there memories after passing.

I still think ichigo's mom was the previous captain of squad twelve pre-research and development days, but I haven't read much of the manga before the show cuts off so I don't know if they mention anything about that in there that didn't make the show. But I still have not seen Isshin in any of the flash backs showing the early days of soul society.

yu make an exclent point i relly have to look in to that ............... thanks

[RogueRogue]

DUDe, nice deductive reasoning, very nice. i have to look inot that as well!

Rogue.

[Whewt22]

-Squad 11 has always been reserved to the Kenpachis, if you read the Manga, doubt he was a Kenpachi.
-12th Division captain pre-Kisuke, was promoted to the Royal guard, protecting the king and the Royal family, unless the King is in the real world, she wouldnt have been killed there, since her duty was to guard the king.((King has been stated to be in another dimension so that almost completely rules out the real world theory))
- Isshin hasn't been seen, unless he was captain of squad 3 who retired his position, but Kisuke was still just a seated officer at the time. So that wouldn't place Isshin in Kisuke in the same time era, to establish the relationship they have, unless it was done in the real world.
Ishhins coming up soon, no doubt. But I still have no clue as to Ichigos mom and her history.

[drzorba]

Yes the King is in another dimension, however to get there you need to go through the real world and more specifically the exact town where ichigos mom was. Not to mention a bunch of ex-captians. would it not be the best to have all those there to insure that the town was never used to reach the king. Also in the manga it said the previous 12th division captain was premoted to the kings gaurd, aslo said to be more powerful than captains, and Aizen said he had mastered all forms of fighting but was not premoted so it is possible that the once they place you in the kings gaurd they send you to the real world and kisuke turns you into a vizard. and Aizen was mad that they wouldn't do that for him so he searched for a way to do it without the help of urahara, but couldn't so he started his elaborate plan. (did you see the face of lieutenant Aizen when he heard about the promotion of the 12th squad captain.)

[Balling like a fool]

i dont think the "die in SS, go to the real world" theory is likely. people dont die in SS of natural causes, they can only be killed. so there cant be a reincarnation loop going on, or there wouldnt be enough deaths in SS to equal the births on earth. and if there are both new souls being born on earth, and reincarnations from SS, then the population would be ridiculous. besides, im pretty sure it said somewhere, when you die in soul society your spirit particles become the foundation of soul society.

your also wrong on a couple other points, Aizen wasnt waiting for a promotion, he intentionally hid the fact that he had mastered all forms of combat, as well as the ability of his zanpakuto, and alot more. if he wanted to be promoted, he never would have did that.

also, the vaizards were banished from soul society, so was urahara, because of his experiments with the hougekyou. they deffinately wouldnt put people with inner hollows, that could take over them at any time, on the kings guard. soul society frowns on the whole idea of mixing powers.

and, karakura town isnt full of ex shinigami in order to guard it, because its the town needed to make the kings key, karakura town is the town needed to make the kings key BECAUSE of all the ex captains, and vaizard, and what have you that reside there. its the high levels of reiatsu that make karakura town the ideal sacrifice for the key.

[Whewt22]

^^ Ditto
Only thing he left out is;
"however to get there you need to go through the real world and more specifically the exact town where ichigos mom was"
Its another dimension "INSIDE" soul society. Rewatch some episodes, might help clear some stuff up.
The only relevance Karakura Town has with anything is; In order to create the Kings key, Aizen needs to gather 100,000 souls in Karakura Town, which has an unusually large concentration of spirit particles.


"they place you in the kings gaurd they send you to the real world and kisuke turns you into a vizard. and Aizen was mad that they wouldn't do that for him so he searched for a way to do it without the help of urahara, but couldn't so he started his elaborate plan."

ANYWAY Aizen found his way(hougekyou), whats the point of making the kings key if all he wanted was hollow powers? Your deducing doesn't make sense rewatch some stuff.

[drzorba]

Hmmm Good point. I am in the process of rewatching a lot of the episodes since i was drunk when i saw them the first time i missed a few things. I will get back to you on these topics shortly. I still think I may be right on some of these things.

One question though. If they said something in the show, say in the bount episodes, that wasn't in the manga couldn't something happen in the manga that was contradictory to that? or does the writer have a strong say in the show to make sure that doesn't happen? cause if that can happen I am just going to read the mangas over so I can make a more accurate argument for my theories.

[alyo12]

I just want to know when ichigo will find out who his dad really is.
I think his dad is my favorite character.

[Dravenkaze]

^^ but i dont think Ichigos mother was a captian