I really don't believe that Bleach is the worst of the big three.

[-Omega-]

Also he bases the story off of characters and not the other way around. That only works if the characters are interesting and complex.

[narusasu1]

The only complex character Tite had he killed off which to me was Ulquiorra I found him interesting.

It does feel like Tite gives off a whatever kind of attitude when it comes to Bleach, like eh as long as it is making money I will just throw whatever I feel like in there. If the creator has no passion for his work and just does not care, then how are those reading or viewing it gonna care.

I can't speak for OP but I do pay attention to what others say and it seems to have a good emotional pull on those who watch/read it. I actually know a spoiler of OP well would be a spoiler for someone who is not caught up with it, and even I could tell just from what bit I read and images I seen that it was probably a heavy emotional scene to those who are fans of it.

Naruto I can speak for and I have always been able to feel the emotions in Naruto you can tell how the characters are effected by the other characters, you know quite a bit about what relationships they have with each other, even the ones you don't see as much. If someone dies, it matters, and you know why it matters, you know what that person meant to those left behind.

The only things I ever found emotional drawing in Bleach were Ulquiorra's death and Gin's death and some past reflections. The only fights I will go back and rewatch are Ichigo vs Byakuya and Ichigo vs Ulquiorra oh an Ichigo vs Kenpachi. I would not even bother rewatching the Ichigo vs Aizen as I thought that was crap and the only thing good about it was Ichigo's appearance change.

[pumpkinbread21]

People that should die in Bleach...don't.

That was one of my faults in One piece. It used to piss me off, but the author changed that eventually.

Naruto had an amazing balance of good character deaths. (well used to anyways...the end of the Pain arc was incredibly kiddy with the whole reviving everyone over a book....and noone of importance is dying in the 4th ninja war)

In Bleach good guys get limbs sliced off, holes in their chest, sliced in half and they just dont die. However baddies in the show may get slashed once or twice and theyre done for. Thats just absurd.

[-Omega-]

What makes Oda stand out is that he doesn't stand out. He doesn't waste his time on Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, excessive interviews, and public appearances. He is serious about his work and never takes it for granted. Even some of the most miniscule characters are remembered. He draws detailed backgrounds and plans ahead. The difference between these three manga/animes is reflected on the mangaka's work ethic.

[vegetto741]

Originally Posted by yohohohooo

exactly, someone who was a captian far powerfull then a mere vice captian(shikai), and even went to vizard mode lvl2 got taken out like this.

White-beard was far more powerful than mere marines, yet they could slash him. Your case would be valid if this was DBZ.

The ichigo that cut Kenpachi was weaker than Renji, Kenpachi is one of the strongest captains in the gotei.

Loly cut Yammy's hand, Loly isn't close to espada level. Weaker beings can harm stronger beings. There ain't anyone surviving their throat getting bifurcated along with someone's brain.

Anyway, thanks for actually trying to actually bring something to discuss as opposed to just saying negative things for the lol's. I look forward to keep this discussion with you.

Originally Posted by pumpkinbread21

People that should die in Bleach...don't.

That was one of my faults in One piece. It used to piss me off, but the author changed that eventually.

Naruto had an amazing balance of good character deaths. (well used to anyways...the end of the Pain arc was incredibly kiddy with the whole reviving everyone over a book....and noone of importance is dying in the 4th ninja war)

In Bleach good guys get limbs sliced off, holes in their chest, sliced in half and they just dont die. However baddies in the show may get slashed once or twice and theyre done for. Thats just absurd.

Hiyori was about to die after gettng sliced, but Hacchigen kept her alive until Unohana arrived. The good side has hax healers like Orihime and squad 4. They're there for that reason. While he was not a main character, Kaien did die, Ukitake's vice-captain. Tosen wasn't really a bad guy, in his last moments he seemed ashamed of what he did. He's also dead.

I agree the hax healers get annoying though.

[Mreaper]

I usually don't mind the healers being haxx, but Hiyori was sliced in half. That's just too damn much to survive.

[naitsirk0]

Originally Posted by vegetto741

What random power-ups? The ones zangetsu and Hichigo gives him are the ones to give them said power-ups. Ichigo's inner world is the explanation where he gets these power-ups, this was even explained in SS where Bleach was at it's best. What's unexplained about it? Ichigo without these two being inside him is power-less as explained when he uses mugetsu and can't do a thing.

If you mean when Ulquiorra killed him and he revived, that's related to Orihime. Orihime doesn't want Ichigo to die. Her power is reversing time, she has the power of a "God" according to Aizen. Ichigo heard Orihime crying out to him, Orihime's wishes were manifested onto him. Makes sense to me.

More asspull power ups:
Kenpachi: can't even cut him, broken sword, talks with his sword to repair it then OHKO Kenpachi.
Proceeds to master Bankai and flash step by using an insanely convenient tool.
All of HM: can only leave his mask on for a few seconds even after a good while of training. Mask time improves a hell of a lot.
Goes from having trouble with Grimjaw to being able to keep up with Ulquiorra (pre batpower up) to getting impaled then getting stupidly strong.
Karakura town: goes from being completely useless to being pretty much the strongest character in Bleach.

[Unknowned]

Originally Posted by narusasu1

I think you are missing my point (unknowned newbie interesting timing), I am not saying he can't complain about OP if he actually watches or reads it, or state that he likes Bleach better then OP, and there are people that share his love for Bleach, but he is not here discussing what he loves about Bleach in those threads, he is just looking to argue over it.


Going into the OP section to complain about OP and try to boost up Bleach is not the place to do it. I am a Naruto fan, but I don't go into another section and say Naruto is awsome and this anime/manga sucks. I do like Naruto better then Bleach, I do not watch/read OP so can not compare them.

I still read/watch Bleach, but I have the right to say it has sucked lately because to me it has, sadly the anime fillers are better. I am a Naruto fan but will say the Naruto anime fillers suck and even the canon in the anime has got bad but I still love the story why I read the manga too it is better, wish Naruto had Bleach's anime team.



These people here complaining about Bleach actually watch/read it if they are comparing it it to one or both of the other 2 it is because they also watch/read them as well. I do not see them being insulting to other fans unless you consider being called a Narutard, Optard, Bleachtard an insult lol.

they do...the reason they adding the word tard is because some die hard fans really go to the point of hurting you with an object....

[Mreaper]

Kind of depends on the context in which the "[series]tard" term is said and who uses it though.

[mariorive24]

What I don't really like is how many times ichigo has going from being really strong to plainly useles.