Character Discussion - Sōsuke Aizen (Spoilers)

[Atanvarno]

I suppose I did get a little sidetracked there, all of those arguments still apply if he's just out to get more power for the sake of having more power


So... out of curiosity, if you don't like a super powered Xanatos style villain, what kind of villain would you prefer?

[Niner Fury]

That COULD be the reasoning, but he's never said any of that. Right now, he's nothing more than a manipulator with a lust for power.

I don't mind this type of villain, but I prefer for them to have more layers of personality. When it comes down to it, all of these guys want power, but they usually have some sort of twisted logic to justify it. Aizen has given none, and on top of that, we hardly ever see him, he shows no emotion, he's given no back story, and he has really never done anything to dissociate himself from the cascade of other villains out there. More importantly, Aizen gives me no reason to like let alone relate to him in the slightest. He's so plain, he doesn't even give me a reason to hate him either.

[Atanvarno]

Originally Posted by Niner Fury

That COULD be the reasoning, but he's never said any of that. Right now, he's nothing more than a manipulator with a lust for power.

That's the wonderful part though, even if he didn't mean to help, he has still already killed the stupid Chamber 46 people and has already shaken up the politics of Soul Society

Originally Posted by Niner Fury

I don't mind this type of villain, but I prefer for them to have more layers of personality. When it comes down to it, all of these guys want power, but they usually have some sort of twisted logic to justify it. Aizen has given none, and on top of that, we hardly ever see him, he shows no emotion, he's given no back story, and he has really never done anything to dissociate himself from the cascade of other villains out there. More importantly, Aizen gives me no reason to like let alone relate to him in the slightest.

I'd say his complete lack of trying to justify himself is more than enough to make him stand out. Anyways he explained his own motivations pretty well at the end of the Soul Society arc. (You know, before TK invented the spirit king as an excuse to make Aizen need to blow up Karakura town as an excuse for Ichigo to fight some more)

He does show emotion quite often, he just hasn't ever gotten angry or frightened because there has yet to be anything significant enough to be angry or frightened about.

I still can't see why you're obsessed about his back story, what the heck do you want TK to tell you? He's a very smart, very powerful person who is an accomplished deceiver, I don't know what you could possibly get from his back story that would make him easier to understand.

As for the empathy thing, I'm just going to have to disagree with you. I find Aizen one of the easiest characters to empathize with.

[Whewt22]

Originally Posted by Atanvarno

What part of Ichigo's Hollowfication seems incorrect? I'm still expecting Tite to start claiming that Ichigo accidentally stumbled into the perfect hybrid blend by naturally becoming shinigami and hollow simultaneously

Well I was about to go into detail; however, this seems easier.
Bleach 375 page 20 | One Manga -Sonido not shunpo

[DeathView]

I dunno if the two actually represent sonido and shunpo though, they could just be slightly different sound effects, not that I understand katakana or know anything about it

Bleach 340 page 14 | One Manga

here both are used in ulquiorra's movement

Bleach 157 page 17 | One Manga

and .. soi fon using sonido ? I find it unlikely

[Whewt22]

That clearly isn't the katakana for sonido in Soifons pannel when compared to anything I posted, rofl nice try. Anyways yeah I noticed there wasn't anything consistant for shunpo. I actually think that may be the steps before taking off or landing that I posted for shunpo. However sonido is consistant, and Aizen is using it.

[DeathView]

your kidding right ? its the exact same thing just thicker

edit: I lied .. the > thing is flipped :O but the rest is the same

[Niner Fury]

Originally Posted by Atanvarno

That's the wonderful part though, even if he didn't mean to help, he has still already killed the stupid Chamber 46 people and has already shaken up the politics of Soul Society



I'd say his complete lack of trying to justify himself is more than enough to make him stand out. Anyways he explained his own motivations pretty well at the end of the Soul Society arc. (You know, before TK invented the spirit king as an excuse to make Aizen need to blow up Karakura town as an excuse for Ichigo to fight some more)

He does show emotion quite often, he just hasn't ever gotten angry or frightened because there has yet to be anything significant enough to be angry or frightened about.

I still can't see why you're obsessed about his back story, what the heck do you want TK to tell you? He's a very smart, very powerful person who is an accomplished deceiver, I don't know what you could possibly get from his back story that would make him easier to understand.

As for the empathy thing, I'm just going to have to disagree with you. I find Aizen one of the easiest characters to empathize with.

I need it, because we know NOTHING about him. There's nothing to like about the guy period. He give me no reason to. He says he wants to take over, and that's it. THAT'S **** IT. If you're telling me one or two little sentences are enough to satisfy you, then man, you either have utterly low standards, or you have the biggest man crush on a cartoon character that I've ever seen. Even DBZ does a better job at coloring its villains. He shows emotion? Oh, you mean when he stops smiling? Give me a break. It can't get any more generic than that. The only reason you can empathize with him is because you're placing your own personal feelings on him. You hate soul society for such and such reasons, but Aizen has never said why he's doing anything specifically. At this point in the story, there is absolutely nothing to empathize with this guy, but if you have this much fun making stuff up, then I guess even a cardboard box like Aizen can become interesting.

[toad moad]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

That clearly isn't the katakana for sonido in Soifons pannel when compared to anything I posted, rofl nice try. Anyways yeah I noticed there wasn't anything consistant for shunpo. I actually think that may be the steps before taking off or landing that I posted for shunpo. However sonido is consistant, and Aizen is using it.

eventhough its speculation Aizen usin Sonido would make since in the simple fact he knows alot about hollows and have studied them, while ichigo is just stumbling into the whole thing.. I say Ishigo is the perfect Hybrid just doesnt know how to control yet.

[Whewt22]

I wouldn't consider it speculation as much as I would deduce Ichigos hair as orange a speculation. It's right there, plain as day, thus fact in my eyes. Speculation would be my shunpo assumptions which were obviously wrong. However that doesn't reflect apon sonido, as I was simply just trying to introduce you to katakana. Sonido is much more clear and was made completely obvious by the page of the arrancar essentially stating it was sonido.

And Ichigo is hardly the perfect hybrid, for he is exactly like the vizard who were labeled failures as hybrids. The perfect hybrids would be shinigami and hollows who the hogyoku was used on. Aizen for example, using sonido, or Tousen using Gargan, without so much as a mask, or transformation unlike Ichigo, or the vizard.

Originally Posted by Niner Fury

I need it, because we know NOTHING about him. There's nothing to like about the guy period. He give me no reason to. He says he wants to take over, and that's it. THAT'S **** IT. If you're telling me one or two little sentences are enough to satisfy you, then man, you either have utterly low standards, or you have the biggest man crush on a cartoon character that I've ever seen. Even DBZ does a better job at coloring its villains. He shows emotion? Oh, you mean when he stops smiling? Give me a break. It can't get any more generic than that. The only reason you can empathize with him is because you're placing your own personal feelings on him. You hate soul society for such and such reasons, but Aizen has never said why he's doing anything specifically. At this point in the story, there is absolutely nothing to empathize with this guy, but if you have this much fun making stuff up, then I guess even a cardboard box like Aizen can become interesting.

What exactly do you mean we don't know anything about him? We know plenty, im presume it's you not "we?"

Spoiler

We know that he's been researching methods of hollowification for well over 100 years, to make an army of arrancar.His recent plans are to aquire a kings key by destroying Ichigo's home town and residents, and attack the soul king. IN turn taking the throne. He ventured into Hueco mundo, and deemed himself worthy to aquire not only the king of HM's place, but the king himself and ruled over him. All with the help of Tousen and Gin, who both were captains as well. He's mastered every form of combat, thus making him on Yamamotos level, if not higher. He was the vizard Shinji Hirako's vice captain, then the fifths division captain. His shikai is Kyōka Suigetsu, has the ability to place anyone who sees it under a state of "Perfect Hypnosis." I could go on.

There's is plenty to like about Aizen. He's calm and collected in the face of extreme adversity. Even with almost every member of the gotei present and their swords drawn to his neck, he musters a smirk. He's extremely intelligent, and always taking precautions, thus being a step ahead of everyone else. Not only on intellectual terms, but power terms as well. I reiterate your message with a twist of my own, what isn't there to like about Aizen. And I really don't see your final point, for Atan didn't make anything up. Not knowing the information exists doesn't make him wrong, it just means you didn't know.