Which Akatsuki member do you think is Overrated? (Possible spoilers)

[theOrator]

The least you can do is get your sentence structure right Vince.

[Vincent1875]

I'm not concerned with that at the moment. You know your own friend agrees that it's not a fact if it doesn't come from the author? What does that say about your proof of the demon's tails determining strength? Also you say I can't prove something, but you very rarely ever offer evidence that is valid to what we are talking about. I literally have to remind you what we're talking about and half the time you refuse to get back on topic.

Is sarcasm really that easily unnoticed?

Over the internet it's kinda difficult. There's all sorts of stupid people out there so you never know if someone is being sarcastic unless you know them a bit and know what they'll say(or it's really obvious).

[Syoks]

Lol.. Never ending saga continues to both this guys...!!!

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[Vincent1875]

Well he says I never prove anything and just speculates but I consistently provide evidence for whatever I say, while when I call him on not having any evidence for what he's saying he likes hides behind the wall of 'me not accepting people's opinions' and 'being the bigger man'. Almost all of our discussions end with me not accepting his invalid evidence(Sakura beginning to read Sasori being a important part of the fight, Naming random connections between Naruto and myth being proof of the tailed beast getting stronger with tails, and Sasuke having sharingan on voiding the fact that he outthought Deidara.) Since there's a pattern to his actions why would this be different?

Basically, he likes to run off at the mouth about things he either 1) doesn't know, or 2) can't prove, so his immediate reaction is to point the finger and say "this guy is speculating and doesn't know what he's talking about", when he's clearly referring to himself.

I'd love to see him having an example of this.

[theOrator]

@Syoks

I've been trying to put an end to the discussion, but Vince here just can't let anything go. He's even still harping about that tailed beast discussion! LOL. Maybe it's an ego thing and he feels like everyone just has to agree with him in order for him to feel special or something. I'd also like to know what "friend" he was referring to agreeing with him? He also talks about having to "remind" me of the topic, like I have short-term memory loss and the guy's my nanny or something, rofl. I've always offered evidence that supports my claims (which I've noticed he's careful not to acknowledge) and I am always on topic. In fact, I've had plenty of people agree that my points were valid. Vince on the other hand constantly reneges on his comments when they're proven invalid, or tries to twist other people's words to support his own flawed assumptions. That is why I've just been ignoring the guy, but as Eddy pointed out and I said earlier, he just can't take a hint. Oh and Vince, I don't need to give an example of that, you do that on your own pretty much every time you post.

[toad moad]

this been goin for like 2 weeks.

[Vincent1875]

The same one which was our last discussion. In this thread. I was talking about Eddy with the friend comment. You in fact do not offer evidence to support your claims(again tailed beast for example) and I do have to constantly have to remind you about the point of the discussion(for example we were talking about Sasuke outsmarting Deidara and you were talking about if Sasuke could have won the fight without Sharingan). I have yet to see you invalidate a single comment of mine of prove me of reneging on a comment. You may have misunderstood the comment but I have always held the same opinions and arguments. The difference in our accusations is that I can prove what I'm saying and you're just talking(notice the examples?).

Toad only because we live in different time zones. If I could catch him awake I could probably end it in a hour simply because I can back up what I say with evidence while he can't. If we could get a judge so that he knows that I'm not just saying he's speculating and off topic and what is and isn't valid then it would be perfect.

[theOrator]

No, Vince, I don't notice the examples because you have been LARGELY inconsistent with your viewpoints. After all, by your previous statements, you are the guy who believes that everyone other than you that has an opinion about events in the series needs sworn testimony from Kishimoto in order to prove it. I have given numerous examples to back up my points, and if you refuse to acknowledge them then that's your problem (my referring to the Sharingan was that it was a major contribution to Sasuske being able to see through and counter Deidara's attacks, but I guess I should've typed each letter spread out so you can understand it better).

My personal contact information, email, instant messenger, is all located on my profile page. If you really wanted to settle this, you could easily get in touch with me to do so. But you haven't, and you probably won't, because you couldn't make sense in an hour, let alone convince me that you haven't been speculating in everything that your saying. So if you really want to settle this, feel free to use my contact information I have listed; otherwise, stick to the forum's topic. Everyone else reading this, I give you my word I'm not gonna respond to anything else he has to say unless it has something to do with the topic of this forum.

[Vincent1875]

Again you just saying stuff with no examples. The last time you said I was being inconsistent it was just your reading comprehension. I also said that it needs to be from a source from the author(the manga, databooks, or an interview) not a sworn statement. Trying to prove something in Naruto by using myth it was based off of is not evidence. In fact you started proving that Naruto was based off of myth at some point.(I don't know why)

Your referring to the sharingan as why Sasuke could see through Deidara's attack was not on topic seeing as we are talking about Sasuke attacking Deidara. I've already explained the entire point here.

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In conclusion Sasuke showed clear mental superiority over Deidara. He thought 4 steps ahead of Deidara. Your goal was to disprove them. Your approach was to void them because of the sharingan. My defense was only one part included the sharingan as necessary and even that could be done without it(if he sacrificed proving his theory). 1. Sasuke would have been able to plant his sword regardless of sharingan because he already had his theory. If he hit a mine it wouldn't explode and if he missed the mines it doesn't matter. 2. Deidara was stationary when Sasuke threw the stars at him. The sharingan wouldn't have helped. 3. Deidara was stationary when Sasuke cut the bird's wing off. The sharingan wouldn't have helped. 4. Deidara was falling but wasn't moving himself. Even Sakura could easily pin a falling object to a tree. The sharingan couldn't have made it any easier.

It would be pointless contacting you without a intelligent third party to explain when you're off topic and when your points are void because I've tried and you just stop talking.

[theOrator]

*Ignores Vincent's inconsistent remarks*

Hey, Synergy, I uh, couldn't help but notice that Deidara is leading in the overrated akatsuki member category. What's up with that? LOL