Which Akatsuki member do you think is Overrated? (Possible spoilers)

[theOrator]

Sakura has fought puppeteers, that doesn't mean she can go a fight without taking a hit. Even Chiyo could not avoid taking damage in that fight. And as you've pointed out before, she had extensive information on Sasori's techniques and puppets. That alone backs up my statement that having information of an opponent's abilities can only do so much. It in no way guarantees that the ninja will be able to avoid taking a hit in a battle, nor does it make the opponent any less dangerous.

[Vincent1875]

Sakura was being controlled by the person with the knowledge and only got injured when she blew herself up and wasn't being controlled. Sakura only dodged an attack at the very end of the fight. She didn't fight by herself either. I still think she has a good chance at beating Hidan(with the blood knowledge) though. Chiyo herself was only scratched when she was distracted and was overwhelmed(didn't know about the technique Sasori used). We're not even talking about Sasori. I said with the other members I've seen fight(including Sasori) you're almost just as screwed. Hidan doesn't have a hundred puppets to attack with from all directions, or an attack that targets the entire area. He has that thing on the line and some sharp sticks. He can pull the thing on the line back from an attack so only one ranged attack. Taking a hit is different from talking a hit that leaves your opponent with your blood and knowing Hidan's ability makes him much less dangerous. Think of Kaguya facing him with knowing about it.

[theOrator]

It doesn't matter what the situations were, both Chiyo and Sakura still suffered injuries (both suffered more than the one injury you mentioned for each of them). Hidan's weapons were a three-bladed scythe attached to a chain, and retractable-sharpened metal rods. I was using Sasori as an example, the fact remains is that the same still applies. Look at it like this, even if you know that Tsukiyomi can affect you by making eye contact, that still doesn't mean you can't get trapped by it (Naruto did). Either with Sasori or the situation with Itachi, both remain the same, knowing the particular effects of a technique doesn't guarantee you'll be able to avoid it. Think of it this way, if you know the type of ammunition that a gun possesses, or the range at which it can fire, does that mean that the gun is any less dangerous?

No, it doesn't, it's still able to kill, whether you have that information or not. The only thing having that information means is that you have a greater chance of avoiding damage, but as I've been saying, even that isn't guaranteed. The concept of battle has always been like that, having such knowledge can be helpful in formulating strategies (as Shikamaru proved), but it doesn't make the opposing factor any less dangerous.

[Urary]

It does if you taught them everything they would know.

[C-Zon]

Knowledge is power; so the more you know about your opponent, the less dangerous or threatening they'll be against you.

For example, if I knew Orochimaru started to break dance before he did a lightning-based attack, I'd be prepared for it.
Whereas, If I didn't know he break danced before he did a lightning attack, I'd probably join him in his break dancing, but end up getting killed from his lightning attack.

[theOrator]

Originally Posted by C-Zon

Knowledge is power; so the more you know about your opponent, the less dangerous or threatening they'll be against you.

For example, if I knew Orochimaru started to break dance before he did a lightning-based attack, I'd be prepared for it.
Whereas, If I didn't know he break danced before he did a lightning attack, I'd probably join him in his break dancing, but end up getting killed from his lightning attack.

How did you equate the concept of break dancing and a lightning attack together? Just the idea of Orochimaru performing that sort of thing is as disturbing as it is hysterical. Knowledge is indeed power, and as I said earlier, knowing how a technique works can certainly help you formulate a counter, or at least know what to look for. However, with a little ingenuity, any technique can be executed in another fashion, especially if the technique has less restrictions placed upon it. As I've said, having such knowledge doesn't exactly make it less threatening.

Hell, I know a cobra rears up when it's about to strike, but that doesn't make it any less poisonous or threatening. It just means I know to get the hell outta dodge if/when it rears up.

[Vincent1875]

'How many times were they poisoned' is the question. Sakura 3 times once being immune and Chiyo once. Sakura wasn't poisoned while the experienced person was controlling her and Chiyo didn't get poisoned while Sasori was doing something she was familiar with. Everyone would become less dangerous if you know their abilities. Hidan's techniques are so specific that with the same amount of information he becomes much less dangerous than other Akatsuki members I've seen. Yes, somethings are easier said than done, but Hidan's technique can easily be circumvented(mulitiple ways) if you know a bit about them. You could: be fast, wear armor, destroy his circle, make it so he can't draw a circle, make it so he can't move, or hide. Knowing about his technique doesn't make the technique any less dangerous if you're caught by it, but dramatically decreases the probability of you getting caught by it. Radar and infrared haven't gotten any worse over the decades but stealth technology has made them less dangerous.

[C-Zon]

Originally Posted by theOrator

How did you equate the concept of break dancing and a lightning attack together? Just the idea of Orochimaru performing that sort of thing is as disturbing as it is hysterical. Knowledge is indeed power, and as I said earlier, knowing how a technique works can certainly help you formulate a counter, or at least know what to look for. However, with a little ingenuity, any technique can be executed in another fashion, especially if the technique has less restrictions placed upon it. As I've said, having such knowledge doesn't exactly make it less threatening.

Hell, I know a cobra rears up when it's about to strike, but that doesn't make it any less poisonous or threatening. It just means I know to get the hell outta dodge if/when it rears up.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes, if you hit me it'll be the same whether I knew of your ability or not, but if I know of your ability and how you implement it during battle, the chances of you hitting me with that attack is significantly lower.

I thought you were saying that, whether I know of your attack or not, I'll still have the same chances of getting hit and enjoying the slow, painful, bloody, amusing death.

[colonelexe]

Konan ?

[theOrator]

Originally Posted by C-Zon

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes, if you hit me it'll be the same whether I knew of your ability or not, but if I know of your ability and how you implement it during battle, the chances of you hitting me with that attack is significantly lower.

I thought you were saying that, whether I know of your attack or not, I'll still have the same chances of getting hit and enjoying the slow, painful, bloody, amusing death.

Well, no, of course you're not going to have the same chances of getting hit if you know what to look for. Lol, my bad, I should've been specific. No, the discussion, as I recall, stems from Vincent1875's views that if you know a person's technique, then they become less dangerous (ex: Hidan). My counter opinion is that having that information may lessen your chances of getting struck by it, but that in no way makes the other person less dangerous.

And Vince, I agree with your point regarding the advent of new technologies like stealth and what not. I also agree with your points about the ways you could counter Hidan's curse technique. However, what you don't seem to realize is that not everyone is going take those measures. After all, Shikamaru had ample information regarding Hidan's curse technique, yet when he confronted him again, he wore no armor (armor only provides so much protection, and unless you wear a full body suit of metal, there are still openings to exploit), he hadn't done any training to increase the speed of his movements, etc. Destroying his circle could work, but by then you'll have been caught in his curses' affects (as he only draws it after he's taken blood), and also you'll have to risk getting in close in order to do it, in which case you run into his weapon.

And that's assuming he lets you get in that close. You could use a kunai with an exploding tag or jutsu, but you risk dealing yourself any damage that he suffers from it. Making so that he can't draw a circle is an option, but unless you have some sort of binding technique like Shikamaru or Ino (which I believe Shikamaru tried and Hidan was able to figure out its weaknesses), you'll have to get in close to incapacitate him otherwise. So overall, while having information on the technique does give you slight advantages, it doesn't reduce the amount of danger the opponent possesses.