Which Akatsuki member do you think is Overrated? (Possible spoilers)

[Vincent1875]

Originally Posted by theOrator

OMG, you're still going on about this? Man, you just can't leave stuff alone can you? Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think you're supposed to double post, Vincent. I've provided tons of evidence to back up my words, and as I've said before, if you can't accept that my opinion is different from yours that's your problem. Either way, I'm not discussing this anymore, because neither of us are gonna change our minds (as usual).

They can merge my post if they want. It's not a matter of opinions because we haven't actually been arguing the same subject. I'm trying to get you on the same page. You also haven't provided tons of evidence of why Hidan wouldn't get less dangerous. You've provided tons of evidence as to why he is still dangerous and how his jutsu haven't gotten any less dangerous if you're caught in them. That I agree with you on, but that's not what I was actually talking about. You can see this confusion between you and someone else here.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes, if you hit me it'll be the same whether I knew of your ability or not, but if I know of your ability and how you implement it during battle, the chances of you hitting me with that attack is significantly lower.

You've actually agreed with me a few times before, but seemed like you didn't realize you had. I'm just trying to find out how you're thinking now. For example if someone is wearing armor they're less likely to be scratched in battle with Hidan and therefore he's a less dangerous opponent to them than someone of the same skill who isn't wearing armor. That's pretty much a fact. How much less dangerous is what we should have been arguing. Think of it like this. If you go into battle with Hidan without knowing his abilities there's a high chance that you'll sacrifice a scratch to gain a kill. However Hidan is immortal so that's a bad trade off. A pretty skilled ninja's probability of losing could be 85% going into the fight without knowledge of Hidan's ability, but as low as 40% with the knowledge. As you can see Hidan would be less dangerous to the guy when he had knowledge.

[theOrator]

And you are still on this? You really should get a new hobby man. That second post wasn't even your post, so I fail to see how I've agreed with you on any of this. As far as I'm aware of I haven't agreed with you on anything and we have been arguing the same subject. I know what you're saying, but it's still speculation because the fact is your argument revolves around the concept of "if a ninja has this/if a ninja knows that". Kishimoto never stated that if you knew how Hidan's technique worked that he would be less dangerous, because if he had, Asuma would still be alive in the series. Shikamaru had even figured out how the technique worked and relayed it to his team, and Asuma was still killed. This contradicts your statement right there.

So you don't have a credible source from the author, that's a fact you cannot argue with. The series has, however, already shown us that ninjas commonly don't go into a battle with detailed information of their opponent's abilities. Even your percentage factor isn't credible because it's also your opinion, that makes it speculation as well. The way I see it, which how I've been seeing it for the past few pages, you have your opinion and I have mine. So I'm asking you one last time to drop it, because I'm standing by my opinion.

[Vincent1875]

He was on my side and saying what I was saying so if you agreed with him you agreed with me. Asuma dying doesn't contradict my opinion because by the Hidan already had what he needed. It's not the same as a fresh battle. An example of a similar situation would be Soifon going into a fight where the opponent is already covered in butterflies. Even if they know what her abilities are they're in a horrible position because she already covered half the steps necessary. The author also never stated that Gamabunta is larger than most trees but he clearly shows it in the manga(like he does my argument). I also was never under the impression that the percentage was a fact. It was there to show you how Hidan was less dangerous.

What you're basically arguing against is the saying 'Knowledge is Power'. I'm done trying to explain what everyone else already knows to you. This is ridiculous.

[theOrator]

If the percentage wasn't a fact, then how does it show he's less dangerous? That's a prime example of you contradicting yourself, because you're admitting to speculation. Also, as you've told me before, one person agreeing with you isn't the same as everyone agreeing with you. If you go back and read that person's post, you'll see that he agreed with what I was saying as well. Lastly, I've been trying to end this discussion, but YOU keep bringing it up. That and the fact you keep trying to force your opinions on me is what's ridiculous. If you're done then be done, and shut up about it.

[Vincent1875]

It's not a contradiction because it's obviously a hypothetical situation. I gave you an example of how Hidan is more dangerous when you're ignorant and a percent to make it clear that even if Hidan is made less dangerous he can still be dangerous. Your "prime example" is a complete fail if it was show me contradicting myself. At least two people agreed with me and he only agreed with your statements of Hidan's jutsu not being any less dangerous if you are caught in them. We were not discussing that however so it's irrelevant.

You're never actually been talking about the same thing as me and you still haven't realized this. You have not provided a single piece of evidence that I haven't invalidated. If a guy can't support his opinion with anything and the other guy can it's called losing the argument. As far as I'm concerned you just won't admit it.

[theOrator]

A hypothetical situation is not the same as fact, which is what you've been trying to pawn it off as. As far as I'm concerned, all you've been spouting is your opinion and nothing is fact at all. My having not supported my opinion or talking about the same thing as you is also your opinion, not mine nor anyone else's. You can't let stuff go and you can't handle when someone has a different opinion from you. That is childish and not worth anyone on this forum's time.

[Vincent1875]

The 'coulds' in the situation clearly say I wasn't trying to play it as a fact. Since the subject of the discussion was mine I can tell you as a fact that you were not talking about the same thing as me. You were proving his techniques were not any less dangerous, but have never looked at the battle as a whole. I also gave you a clear example from the manga proving my point. I gave you a situation from the manga of Hidan being more dangerous because of his opponents ignorance. That is a source from the author which makes it not an opinion.

[SynergY]

This thread should be renamed "The Epic Clash Between Vincent and theOrator", the day this finishes I will die.

[Vincent1875]

I'm done. Arguing with a guy who won't provide evidence and when he does it's not on subject is pointless and will give me grey hairs.

[toad moad]

Originally Posted by SynergY

This thread should be renamed "The Epic Clash Between Vincent and theOrator", the day this finishes I will die.

i agree