Naruto Episode Discussion!

[mariorive24]

I haven't read Rosario Vampire but they says is very good. LOL Why would I judge you?...

[renshi52]

Originally Posted by mariorive24

I haven't read Rosario Vampire but they says is very good. LOL Why would I judge you?...

Cause more or less the people I know that read it say its a girly anime but I seen it and liked it very much and heard the manga kept going from where the anime left.


Its like me saying I enjoy one direction or backstreet boys lol.

[mariorive24]

Meh, I read several girls manga too

[renshi52]

Originally Posted by mariorive24

Meh, I read several girls manga too

That's cool.




anyways back to the topic on naruto this episode showed great potential I am glad they brought it fully.

[-Omega-]

Finally, this last episode was interesting. Hopefully, it keeps up this pacing.

Originally Posted by renshi52

Its not a waste thou, maybe great anime/manga bring in characters that doesn't have significant meanings does spend a life time of idk how many episodes it needs to take to make a character development good in your terms.

It all depends on the writer. Creating characters and not developing them is a waste. Having older established characters overshadowing new characters is a waste. I think the rushing really brings out the limits of Kishimoto’s ability. Just because it is war doesn’t mean you have to show every single battle and if you do make sure it is handled properly. There is no real drama, tension, or even visually spectacular.

The material is so lacking that there is significant amount of time where characters are standing around. In episode 273, team 10 didn’t physically move from their spot until over 11 minutes into the episode and even then the barely budged. There was a legitimate question asked which was “What’s keeping the Sealing Team?” Nothing is happening. Oh, there was that great emotional scene where Choji exclaims that he is not fat, but pleasantly plump. What a tearjerker.

The supposed important events get rushed through and everything else just stops. I almost thought that Tite Kubo started writing Naruto even down to the random power-ups (Choji’s butterfly transformation), however too many characters were being remembered so I figured that it wasn’t him.

[renshi52]

Originally Posted by -Omega-

Finally, this last episode was interesting. Hopefully, it keeps up this pacing.



It all depends on the writer. Creating characters and not developing them is a waste. Having older established characters overshadowing new characters is a waste. I think the rushing really brings out the limits of Kishimoto’s ability. Just because it is war doesn’t mean you have to show every single battle and if you do make sure it is handled properly. There is no real drama, tension, or even visually spectacular.

The material is so lacking that there is significant amount of time where characters are standing around. In episode 273, team 10 didn’t physically move from their spot until over 11 minutes into the episode and even then the barely budged. There was a legitimate question asked which was “What’s keeping the Sealing Team?” Nothing is happening. Oh, there was that great emotional scene where Choji exclaims that he is not fat, but pleasantly plump. What a tearjerker.

The supposed important events get rushed through and everything else just stops. I almost thought that Tite Kubo started writing Naruto even down to the random power-ups (Choji’s butterfly transformation), however too many characters were being remembered so I figured that it wasn’t him.

That was a filler saying not in the manga half the time choji does even really say it until the end where he agrees with asuma almost and learn to overcome his kindness for the greater good to even protect asuma's king. (the fat thing was not needed throught the anime until asuma called him fat it was stated many times way before he would get mad for being called that.

Choji's calorie control was a jutsu that was only attainable through the pill before choji being the only one to know how to use it without the pill. (why I say only one, cause his father would have used it as well to fight but he doesn't meaning choji is basically the only from their clan. (butterflies are there symbol as the nara are to dears.)

[ALdsTaR]

Originally Posted by kannazuki

Thankfully I haven't seen much of this going on for a while. (At least not in any threads I frequent.)

Same here....Though sometimes it can be a fun discussion

Yeah we're being kind of generous to call what happened in Bleach a "war," but that's technically what it was considered in canon so I guess I'll stick with it.

Hahaha exactly, VERY generous

Back to Naruto, (& this is @everybody)...
*Very general discussion of what's to come. Skip only if you're ultra-ultra-strict about spoilers *

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the thing to keep in mind is that Kishi's greatest strength is not really the action (though he's pretty good with applying strategy when he wants to be). He's more about the emotional moments. To a certain extent, you could say the talkier the fight, the more important it is.

And if you just can't stand talky fights, well then... lol... you probably wouldn't be following this series, right?

At least I hope not...

Hahah well Ive kinda forgotten how talky the fights can be in Naruto, I mean the last few fights we have seen, werent all that talky

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OK, regarding #1:More generally, I'd like to see some more varied inner/emotional conflict. I'd just *especially* like for that to come in the form of what I'm calling "political intrigues" for short. Long version:

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We've got a little dissent among the pirates and indifference/questionable loyalties with the shichibukai, fine. But how about getting into the power struggles within the WG and the Marines, respectively?

How about some more insight (from Ivan-chan) into how the rebels would have viewed this fight as an organization? Do they have a policy of taking the pirates' side specifically, or was it coincidental to protecting Luffy?

Also I'm sure this one's just me, but I'd like to have seen Coby develop some kind of resolve to change the Marines for the better after seeing all of the carnage. This is something I feel he should at laest decide on before he gains control of his haki. He can't remain all idealistic and naïve forever.

Re #2: Yeah, I noticed a lot of these guys were popular for having interesting powers/looks/personalities. I need some history or an idea of their personal motivations (i.e. emotional investment) before I start to really care about them. Yeah, Oarz Jr. is a really good example. All we learned about him was the hat thing, right?

#3: All I meant is that until the climax, I'd like there to have been more plot threads going on at one time than Luffy running somewhere, and a bunch of people protecting him/trying to kill him. (And I mean something involved and emotionally satisfying, not Buggy's cowardly ego-tripping or Mr. 3's convenient key replacement service.) Sorry, I'm just not a Buggy fan. :x

Story & character development/intricacy are usually most important to me, so I felt like not much happened during that war. I don't mind the marines not losing much, though. They only brought out their elites, they had the home advantage, and for the most part, the toughest pirates only fought equal matches among the marines. The rest of the pirates in the war weren't anything special, were they? I see this similarly to the way things work in the Naruto war arc, where we're really only following the story of the most elite fighters. Death = cheap drama without a good, thematically relevant cause for it to be given up-front attention. (Notice just like before, I'm not saying all death in fiction is cheap-- only "fanservice-y" death, if that makes sense.)

I agree about Sengoku & Garp. Especially Sengoku!

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#1 Hmmm I stiilllll dont really get it I do agree that some more info on how the rebels viewed the fights would be more then welcome (I also hate that we dont know about Shanks, Rayleigh & Dragon knowing, and I mean, KNOWING about Ace, but ah well...)

I havent given that much thought, but now that you mention it, you are right. I would be dissapointed if Coby wouldnt go all Roy Mustang or Suzaku mode now, now that he's seen these things...

#2 Yeah and I was lucky there lol Hmmm but in this case the personal motivations are clear right, cause it was all about Ace, or do you mean like what kind of bond they really shared with Ace? Cause then Im with you. Hahah yeah the hat things was basicly the only thing.... We got to learn enough really in a short time about Ace's past with WB and stuff, so why not spend those 5 minutes, or half an episode about Oarz' past, to make his death more....impactful

#3 Ohhh yeah good point there, that wouldve made the war better for sure...Only thing we got was Squard(o?) stabbing WB...And well maybe Marco & Jozu getting beaten, that put the pirates in a desperate situation really... they shouldnt have gotten beat so easily, damn right hand man of one of the Yonkou turns his head in a battle with an admiral? Thats so much nonsense really Hahaha, lucky for me I cracked up during those Buggy moments...

Hmmm well the biggest thing was Luffy going crazy and realizing he was weak, and well, we got a peek at the new major villain of OP and his intentions and stuff...

Well thats true they brought out elites, but what hurts me (as a fan of the pirates ) is that not all their elites fought (Sengoku & Garp, more on that later) and especially the way their elites defeated the Pirates' elites, as stated above. And well, 40 some captains of the New World? And they werent just any captains, they were WB's alliance? I expected a hella lot more of them too And the vice admirals as well, I mean, as it stands now its like the only strong people the Marines have, are the admirals...

I agree about the death = cheap drama part, I understand where you are coming from with fanservice-death, but im just pissed off at all those Zetsu's and stuff haha...That also is so...cheap...just like those weak pirates fighting the weak marines -.- no one wants to see that...but I guess its nescecary..(i always struggle with that word )

Yeah if you think about it, Luffy shouldnt have been able to save Ace like that... I mean it all became okay cause the whole stand broke down and they were in the air and stuff, but really Ace was NEXT to Sengoku... I was like Luffy is never gonna succe-... Whhuutttt And just like Sengoku, Garp was just chilling and watching, for most part. This was the last time we couldve seen those two in action, and they didnt even fight WB, nor BB?? AND they, well, Sengoku, let Ace go.... Flaws...many flaws...but stiuuuwlllll a great war

Re spoiler: I hope they expand that part. And I didn't even realize it was supposed to come up so soon. They've moved a lot of stuff around. (Makes more sense in the anime so far, though.)

Yeah now that you talk about it I get the feeling theyve moved some parts, cause I do remember some things still needing to happen...Or who knows theyll just not show Naruto agian for 5 eps

Like I said, I'll try to help out in this thread, but in the others, you guys are on your own. And for the love of all that's decent, DON'T look at Naruto stuffon Youtube! Just don't. Even the false spoilers there would be as bad as real ones.

Yeah im not even taking risks anymore, just playing it completely save. Youtube is a big no no, I learned that with OP

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where one of the vids had a cute title saying: 'RIP ACE' -___________- and that was a couple of months before the war began O.o

So now when Im watching AMV's, no more checking the comments And well, maybe even no AMV's for the time being cause who knows what the title may spoil

Originally Posted by josemz

who ever spoil the tobi thing to me i will personally track down your ip adress and deal with you myself, not a threat its a promise

lmaooo I got your back though, I swear if someone spoils that for me Imma punish that person severly

[theshow_luffy]

Originally Posted by josemz

who ever spoil the tobi thing to me i will personally track down your ip adress and deal with you myself, not a threat its a promise

lmaoo i know how u feel because i dnt watch one piece mangas and i read the comments to the episode nd someone wrote everything tht was goin happen in the war

[IronMonkeyFist]

Originally Posted by -Omega-

It all depends on the writer. Creating characters and not developing them is a waste. Having older established characters overshadowing new characters is a waste. I think the rushing really brings out the limits of Kishimoto’s ability. Just because it is war doesn’t mean you have to show every single battle and if you do make sure it is handled properly. There is no real drama, tension, or even visually spectacular.

Care to make arguments instead of statements?

Originally Posted by -Omega-

The material is so lacking that there is significant amount of time where characters are standing around. In episode 273, team 10 didn’t physically move from their spot until over 11 minutes into the episode and even then the barely budged. There was a legitimate question asked which was “What’s keeping the Sealing Team?” Nothing is happening. Oh, there was that great emotional scene where Choji exclaims that he is not fat, but pleasantly plump. What a tearjerker.

The supposed important events get rushed through and everything else just stops. I almost thought that Tite Kubo started writing Naruto even down to the random power-ups (Choji’s butterfly transformation), however too many characters were being remembered so I figured that it wasn’t him.

I get the feeling you've got something against Kishimoto. I don't want to be that guy, but it always seems like you're nitpicking when you make complaints.

11 minutes into the episode we had flashbacks integral to the actual meaning of the episode, i.e. Chouji's transformation. Also, it sure as hell beats the first 6+ minutes of recap in every One Piece episode. That just takes the piss.

Chouji's butterfly transformation wasn't a random power up. He used that technique before the timeskip. It's funny you'd pick on that though, considering people ***** and moan how Kishi never develops his other characters and when he does, it's a random power up? No, random power ups don't happen in Naruto, it isn't Fairy Tail.

[supermegasonic]

i feel like i haven never been able to join the conversations here in a long while....either spoiler talks or debates on things i really can't go into...