Smoker (post-timeskip) vs Luffy (post-timeskip)

[IronMonkeyFist]

I'd reckon they're at a draw. Yes, Law dispatched of Smoker with relative ease, but I got a feeling that's only because Smoker underestimated Law. Plus, there's is this kind of rivalry between Smoker and Luffy, so I can't imagine Luffy being much stronger.

[Lavi]

lets not forget smoker rised to VA and seems pretty confident in his own haki, since he mentioned tashigi, who could also use haki, wasn't good enough with it. It's not like only luffy got stronger in this time.

Its kinda of unfair to compare using only law, the dudes a monster, easily the strongest fruit in the series thus far.

[IronMonkeyFist]

Originally Posted by DeathView

lets not forget smoker rised to VA and seems pretty confident in his own haki, since he mentioned tashigi, who could also use haki, wasn't good enough with it. It's not like only luffy got stronger in this time.

Its kinda of unfair to compare using only law, the dudes a monster, easily the strongest fruit in the series thus far.

Easily?

Marco
Doflamingo
Kuma
Lucci
Whitebeard
Blackbeard
Enel
Ace
Kizaru
Akainu
Aokiji

No.

[Lavi]

Originally Posted by IronMonkeyFist

Easily?

Marco
Doflamingo
Kuma
Lucci
Whitebeard
Blackbeard
Enel
Ace
Kizaru
Akainu
Aokiji

No.

I said strongest fruit, not user, so lucci even being mentioned is lolworthy. hes just a cat

I'd only consider blackbeards fruit to be more dangerous because it allows him to draw in other fruits (or at least thats the most logical assumption of how the process works)

I don't consider any of the others to be more dangerous. Laws fruit is may not be offensively superior to the likes of magma, but its way more dangerous, as it has more versatility and defensive capability.

Marco's doesnt even compare, its almost a purely defensive fruit, which isnt that threatening in the world of haki. The fire doesn't even burn, so all the user can do is kick, don't get me wrong, marco uses it greatly, but strongest fruit, no way.

the nikyuu is insane, but it also has a huge weakness. kuma compliments it incredibly well due to his body, but its defensive ability is useless if you can't get your paw to the attack, leaving most of the body vulnerable. it's a fruit heavily reliant on the user, I mean if kuma didn't have his cyborg body, even zoro would have beaten him.

whitebeards fruit is ridiculous when taking on numbers, but not as dangerous in direct combat, and has basically no defensive ability.

Doflamingo isn't even a confirmed fruit user, and even if he is, he's only been shown able to take over one person at a time for the time being. Definitely more info needed before he can be listed. Ace is a pretty low tier logia, shouldn't even be mentioned.

goro and pika are probably the top contenders, with destructive ability, range, logia invulnerability and incomparable speed. I actually intended to say one of, but I cant deny I did not. Overall I still find it as strong though, its so much more versatile than any of the other top tier fruits, it doesn't really have a weakness unlike them because of that.

[Sadistic Sougo]

Luffy

[Vincent1875]

Originally Posted by DeathView

the nikyuu is insane, but it also has a huge weakness. kuma compliments it incredibly well due to his body, but its defensive ability is useless if you can't get your paw to the attack, leaving most of the body vulnerable. it's a fruit heavily reliant on the user, I mean if kuma didn't have his cyborg body, even zoro would have beaten him.

Zoro would have injured him. Whether he would have been defeated is conjecture. Let's not forget that Zoro only scored that hit in the first place because Zoro launched a surprise attack while Kuma was stooped over. A user of Law's fruit would have likely been cut as well in such a situation.

Turning your palm towards someone is the most the user has to do to defeat most enemies. Air pressure attacks that can travel be as fast as light if the user wants are not to be taken lightly.

Yes, though Law's fruit is one of the few in the series that may be on par with it.

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smoker would win luffy didn't know haki back then

[IronMonkeyFist]

Originally Posted by DeathView

I said strongest fruit, not user, so lucci even being mentioned is lolworthy. hes just a cat

I misread your post, so I added him because he has extremely high control of DF. And he's not just a cat. His DF abilities combined with his techniques make him a dangerous enemy. That being said, Law could still rolfstomp him.

Originally Posted by DeathView

I'd only consider blackbeards fruit to be more dangerous because it allows him to draw in other fruits (or at least thats the most logical assumption of how the process works)

We can agree on this.

Originally Posted by DeathView

I don't consider any of the others to be more dangerous. Laws fruit is may not be offensively superior to the likes of magma, but its way more dangerous, as it has more versatility and defensive capability.

Marco's doesnt even compare, its almost a purely defensive fruit, which isnt that threatening in the world of haki. The fire doesn't even burn, so all the user can do is kick, don't get me wrong, marco uses it greatly, but strongest fruit, no way.

Flight + Haki makes a deadly combination. And in all fairness, we didn't see all that much of Marco's abilities, but given the fact he's WB's right hand man and Kizaru and Garp had to step in, we can assume he's a lot more powerful than the scenes we've scene of him imply.

Originally Posted by DeathView

the nikyuu is insane, but it also has a huge weakness. kuma compliments it incredibly well due to his body, but its defensive ability is useless if you can't get your paw to the attack, leaving most of the body vulnerable. it's a fruit heavily reliant on the user, I mean if kuma didn't have his cyborg body, even zoro would have beaten him.

Kuma's fruit is PROBABLY stronger than Law's. He can travel and attack at the speed of light, use Ursa shock and so on. I don't see any situation in which Law's DF is superior to Kuma's.

Originally Posted by DeathView

whitebeards fruit is ridiculous when taking on numbers, but not as dangerous in direct combat, and has basically no defensive ability.

WB's DF has been repeatedly stated to be the most dangerous of all. In his prime, he could've destroyed the world, if Sengoku's state, dramatised as it may have been, is anything to judge by.

Originally Posted by DeathView

Doflamingo isn't even a confirmed fruit user, and even if he is, he's only been shown able to take over one person at a time for the time being. Definitely more info needed before he can be listed.

He's pretty much confirmed a DF since the War of the Best arc. Remember what he did to Oars Jr.'s leg? YEAH. That being said, I can see Law taking him down.

Originally Posted by DeathView

Ace is a pretty low tier logia, shouldn't even be mentioned.

Ace's bounty was higher than Law's. He was WB's number two. He had Haki. He was incredibly powerful, even when up against BB, who's DF is just ridiculous. You can't seriously think Ace is in any way lower tier. Fire is intangible, I don't see Law being able to do anything against that.

Originally Posted by DeathView

goro and pika are probably the top contenders, with destructive ability, range, logia invulnerability and incomparable speed. I actually intended to say one of, but I cant deny I did not. Overall I still find it as strong though, its so much more versatile than any of the other top tier fruits, it doesn't really have a weakness unlike them because of that.

I can agree with you on some points but I do still think both DFs are superior to Law's Ope Ope no Mi.

[Lavi]

can kuma really attack at the speed of light? It seems more like an a statement that was never backed up. Even a heavily injured zoro was capable of dodging hundreds of attacks despite not having observational haki at the time.

I dont see how ace's bounty or his haki is relevant, we're only comparing devil fruits here. But even if they did fight, I doubt ace would have any more of a shot than smoker, higher bounty or not. mera just doesnt measure up to higher tier logia like pika, goro or magu.

gura capable of destroying the world is a bogus comment imo. In the end neither BB or WB even managed to destroy mariejoa, despite both attacking it. I prefer to look at what the fruits are capable of, rather than what people say about it. I've done a lot of roleplaying, and used and/or fought against all the fruits in question many times.

anyway, I'm still expecting Laws fruit to get some kind of limitation.

[CrazeOP]

trust him as a doctor they said , law would be a good doctor they said