League of Legends [LoL]

[Vexxer209]

Thats why we use udyr as an example. There are plenty of tops that dont care about diving though. Because many of them are tanks. Jax dives like a boss with his ult on. Irelia can kill really good under your tower after she gets some items. Kayle has ult to make her immune to damage while blowing you up. Poppy can just become immune to tower damage for 6 seconds while she shoves people into a turret and whips out the strap-on. All these characters can also either run really fast or have some way to screw the jungler when they try to gank them. Ryze runs like a turtle even with his ult on. His snare is not long enough to make it from their turret back to yours because he is slow as **** and the enemy will catch him. I use movespeed quints and still get outrun by most junglers. With level 2 boots eventually I can outrun most ap's though at least .

[jorgiguel]

can i just ask, since when does ryze need blue?

i've only have mana problems with him in the first few minutes and that's easily fixed with Tear of Goddess when i return to base for the first time

[Vexxer209]

Ryze needs one blue, the second blue. After that 90% of them will have glacial shround and not need the cd reduction and also have assloads of mana. Having the blue at 7:20 makes a huge difference, after and before that no need.

The reason for needing the 2nd blue is to spam the shit out of spells, in order to charge up the Tear Of The Goddess. Any Ryze that doesn't have this by 7:20 is last hitting terribly (though if you havent practiced last hitting with his auto's before he is a total pain in the ass). Even when I miss shitloads I almost always have enough to make this by that time.

[jorgiguel]

tear of goddess only increases once every 3 seconds, if you have the right masteries, you can spam Q in less

so again, why you need blue?

[Vexxer209]

OK reason two. CD reduction. lets you nearly double your damage in trades before the glacial shroud. Also, despite what you said. When you get tear and want to charge it by using a spell at every available charge (every q) you will oom eventually. Blue makes this not happen (delays it greatly). Its like auto win your lane with trades if you get blue and the other person doesnt. Many casters can do this to ryze if they get blue and he does not.

Again only pref one single blue throughout the game, the 2nd one. Other than that I agree Ryze does not need it. Though if you haven't been getting it you should try it. He is a beast during those 5min if you do get it lets you start up the QWQEQRQ combo right then and there (blue gives 20% cdr)

[jorgiguel]

yeah, and its fun when i kill them and steal their blue cause they keep spamming their spells and then cant use the nessecery ones in time to stop me.


early game is meant to farm, using your auto and your Q on the minions to get cash fast, poking the enemy should only be when you feel nessecery, not at every opportunity, and this is coming from someone extremely agressive, I tend to poke at any given chance, but not with Ryze, cause his farming sucks, thats the problem when all your skills are lock ons. You cant just poke the enemy and then clean the lane with an AoE like with a normal AP, or both. With Ryze you need to chose between, farming or poking. And quite franckly, unless your playing with noobs who dont know the safe distance against Ryze, farming will always be the best option.


and quite frankly, i prefer seeing my Jungler with blue than me. Unless they dont need it of course

[Vexxer209]

Originally Posted by jorgiguel

yeah, and its fun when i kill them and steal their blue cause they keep spamming their spells and then cant use the nessecery ones in time to stop me.


early game is meant to farm, using your auto and your Q on the minions to get cash fast, poking the enemy should only be when you feel nessecery, not at every opportunity, and this is coming from someone extremely agressive, I tend to poke at any given champ, but not with Ryze, cause his farming sucks, thats the problem when all your skills are lock ons. You cant just poke the enemy and then clean the lane with an AoE like with a normal AP, or both. With Ryze you need to chose between, farming or poking. And quite franckly, unless your playing with noobs who dont know the safe distance against Ryze, farming will always be the best option.

Euro vs Na meta

You like farming your lane I like destroying it. Ryze farming sucks. If you have a farm war he will lose to many champs that he can outright kill with blue and tear. Ap Sion is one example. Ryze counters him but only if your willing to kill him. This becomes sooooooo much easier with 20% cd reduction from blue. Ryze poke got nerfed really hard with the range reduction on Q btw, not really an option to poke anymore except against weird matchups. The all or nothing seems to be his only way to trade. His all or nothing >> almost anyone else though (exceptions=annie, leblanc, etc)

[jorgiguel]

destroying it with what? Face it, Ryze is only good late game cause he can tank long enough to melt a team, that's it. Ryze will melt against any good player that knows the safe distance early game. And in late game, you'll find out both of you arent that differant in score, but Ryze's farming was awefull so the other has better items

[Vexxer209]

Ryze level 3 is stronger than almost anyone lolol. Not very many casters can out damage his qwqeqrq with tear and blue either... just cant trade when neither those are options. Some dont give you a choice and are near impossible lanes which ya then blue is useless and you just farm.. Those include Malhazar (eek), Brand (will win in trade and counters ryze :O), CassiOPa(same as brand, fk that shit), Xerath(holy shit), and Ziggz(see xerath). Those are the harder lanes I can think of. Malhazar is hardest in lane for Ryze I think... Specially now that we can't build BV without losing a shit ton of damage anymore .

Annie is a skill matchup.. And wins all-in trades but she can't kill you if you dont try to kill her unless she flash on you but ryze has a lot of hp by the time she thinks she can one shot you.

[jorgiguel]

Originally Posted by Vexxer209

Ryze level 3 is stronger than almost anyone lolol. Not very many casters can out damage his qwqeqrq with tear and blue either... just cant trade when neither those are options. Some dont give you a choice and are near impossible lanes which ya then blue is useless and you just farm.. Those include Malhazar (eek), Brand (will win in trade and counters ryze :O), CassiOPa(same as brand, fk that shit), Xerath(holy shit), and Ziggz(see xerath). Those are the harder lanes I can think of. Malhazar is hardest in lane for Ryze I think... Specially now that we can't build BV without losing a shit ton of damage anymore .

Annie is a skill matchup.. And wins all-in trades but she can't kill you if you dont try to kill her unless she flash on you but ryze has a lot of hp by the time she thinks she can one shot you.

(played with all of them except Malhazar, and regularly plays with all of them except Mal and Ziggz)

probably why i have such a low view on Ryze