How: The Vizard and Espada, came into existance discussion.

[TheLegendofMetal]

ill add to what balling said, maybe it doesnt "materialize" a shinigami or hollow side. i could be that like turning into an arrancar only certain shinigami can do it. remember the vizard needed the hougyoku in order to not to become full hollow. so maybe ichigo already had what it took to become a vizard while the others had to be helped in order to make the change.

[vezryl]

Originally Posted by Whewt22

Thats what makes it fun!

Sometimes I think that you should've been in a Hardy Boys book, Whewt :P
And just because it makes you unhappy, lolz :P

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by TheLegendofMetal

ill add to what balling said, maybe it doesnt "materialize" a shinigami or hollow side. i could be that like turning into an arrancar only certain shinigami can do it. remember the vizard needed the hougyoku in order to not to become full hollow. so maybe ichigo already had what it took to become a vizard while the others had to be helped in order to make the change.

The Vizard needed the Hogekyou to keep from dying, because of the specific way that they were hollowfied. They still have internal struggles with their inner hollows, just like Ichigo, his method of initial transformation was just a lot more controlled.
At least that's what I took from it.

[Chicken993]

Well what I don't understand is that when Ichigo first transformed into a shinigami, he had a vizard mask. Maybe I missed the part where they explained that or just forgot -.-

[drzorba]

Originally Posted by Caligula

The Vizard needed the Hogekyou to keep from dying, because of the specific way that they were hollowfied. They still have internal struggles with their inner hollows, just like Ichigo, his method of initial transformation was just a lot more controlled.
At least that's what I took from it.

I'll use you to quote becuase I get two for one when I do that. HAHA

And the vizard didn't need it to keep from dying, they needed it to keep from turning into hollows completely.

And by your logic... oh wait I guess I meant ballins logic... if the vizard lost their inner battles they would become hollows, so if the hollows didn't remove their mask right they would become shinigami. That is something that just didn't happen. If hollows didn't remove their mask correctly they just became incomplete arrancars. There is obviously a difference in the way they go about the transformations.

[Balling like a fool]

Originally Posted by drzorba

I'll use you to quote becuase I get two for one when I do that. HAHA

And the vizard didn't need it to keep from dying, they needed it to keep from turning into hollows completely.

And by your logic... oh wait I guess I meant ballins logic... if the vizard lost their inner battles they would become hollows, so if the hollows didn't remove their mask right they would become shinigami. That is something that just didn't happen. If hollows didn't remove their mask correctly they just became incomplete arrancars. There is obviously a difference in the way they go about the transformations.

i see no reason why my facade may not remain intact.

but i like the point about the transforming into a shinigami.
a vizard gains a hollow persona, but doesnt lose any shinigami-ness.
an arrancar is removing some of its hollow-ness, not gaining an inner shinigami.

hollows just seem to be more dominant.