Woman in Bleach.

[BlazeCommanderASCE]

I liked Tatsuki early in the Show...
and hey, how bout the Vizard girl? The one who hits every1 with a slipper? xD

And I know you all will kill meh but how bout Yoshi from the filler?
(aaah don hit meh)

[Whewt22]

Haha, Kukaku is carrying in a friggen shark..

Anyways, I would have to say Yoruichi. Shes noones tool, plus shes pretty well rounded.
And as the vizard go, haha no.. Hiyori is the female version of Naruto. I guess Lisa isnt too bad, she just reads porno all day. Mashiro is the ditzy retard with green hair.

[Hero]

Lol Mazohit has a nice picture of bleach

[Hylia]

This picture make my point ~

When i meant "strong" and "powerfull" I wanted to mean "woman that are respected and arent in the anime for the only purpose of fan service and having bigs breasts"

I didnt meant if they looked good or had cute ability that make them look pretty -__- I wanted girl that could be respected and capable of taking care of themself whitout having a male character come and "save" them... i meant female character that could actually come and kick some ass to save a male character even.

Woman in bleach and mostly useless and stereotyped in my opinion. I wanted to know if i was hallucinating or if it was true ... I guess it was true?

[darius luvs kallen]

bleach is kool

[Juvefc417]

i think that Yourichio is a pretty strong character in the show. i like her. and also Nel, though at first she seems unimportant. she soon will be in the anime

[vezryl]

It truly depends on how you percieve strong and weak and if we're including strong characters or simply strong in resolve, physical strength etc.
Being that the series is so far male dominated even if you considered all of the characters to be strong you wouldn't be able to give a long list.

Being that there are a small amount of people to relate to a large number of girls diversity was key in creating these characters, thusly you find opposite ends of the spectrum very easily, some very shy and physically weak like Orhime, while others mentally and physically strong such as Yoruichi. I believe that the creators of Bleach tried to keep a balance on this right from the beginning, for instance Tatsuki and Orihime being opposites, as are each of Ichigo's sisters. This was no form of misogyny, simply due to the fact that they had to cater to a wide range of girls with a very short stock of characters.


Essentially deny it though you may there are girls in the world who can and do relate to each of those characters, whether you like them or dislike them, and as such to increase the target audience range they have to add characters like those into that.

Also I shan't deny that japanese culture doesnt exactly see animated/drawn eroticim as taboo or even out of the norm, that's a culture they've been brought up with their whole lives and it won't change, though physical form being looked at in a less than innocnt way isn't something women can complain about, after all there are the exact same intentions when a lot of the male characters are drawn, it's no different.

However as it goes, on the subject o women being "respected" let's face it, women are given the exact same standards of strength as men, respected as captains, lieutenants and so on just as men are, there's not even a character in the anime that suffers from suggestive comments from the opposite gender except for Kon, who is portrayed as a disgusting character whom is considered by EVERY character to have ome into contact with him to be someone whom no one could care less about and hates intensely, not exactly making it desirable to share mutual thought wth him. As it goes you will see less respect for the image of women on TV any time after 9 pm than you will in the manga or anime.

If you really have something against the physical form of women in anime being exposed to erotic nature then you should have a problem with it for the male characters too, and thusly you should just be agains anime entirely and you dont have to worry about it.

If it's the weak characters you're bothered about then there's nothing to complain about there either, there's a strong character for every weak character. The males have characters who are portrayed as weak as well so there's no complaints needed there.

Really, I dont see the big problem, or why you're narrowing it down to just women.
Essentially you're saying "women are portrayed as not being equal" while in narrowing it down to being women you're saying "I think that women should be portrayed stronger, and the men can remain the same". Now I'm no expert but sayin "men can be weak but women have to be strong" isn't quite sticking to this whole equality thing now is it? no no no.

On a side note your perception of the characters in itself is wrong, you comment that the captain of 4th squad is just a nurturing type when she's actually considered by most in the manga to be one of the most powerful shinigami, one of the original captains. It seems to me thatyou are the one who is stereotyping these characters and not the writers.

[Hylia]

Originally Posted by vezryl

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It truly depends on how you percieve strong and weak and if we're including strong characters or simply strong in resolve, physical strength etc.
Being that the series is so far male dominated even if you considered all of the characters to be strong you wouldn't be able to give a long list.

Being that there are a small amount of people to relate to a large number of girls diversity was key in creating these characters, thusly you find opposite ends of the spectrum very easily, some very shy and physically weak like Orhime, while others mentally and physically strong such as Yoruichi. I believe that the creators of Bleach tried to keep a balance on this right from the beginning, for instance Tatsuki and Orihime being opposites, as are each of Ichigo's sisters. This was no form of misogyny, simply due to the fact that they had to cater to a wide range of girls with a very short stock of characters.


Essentially deny it though you may there are girls in the world who can and do relate to each of those characters, whether you like them or dislike them, and as such to increase the target audience range they have to add characters like those into that.

Also I shan't deny that japanese culture doesnt exactly see animated/drawn eroticim as taboo or even out of the norm, that's a culture they've been brought up with their whole lives and it won't change, though physical form being looked at in a less than innocnt way isn't something women can complain about, after all there are the exact same intentions when a lot of the male characters are drawn, it's no different.

However as it goes, on the subject o women being "respected" let's face it, women are given the exact same standards of strength as men, respected as captains, lieutenants and so on just as men are, there's not even a character in the anime that suffers from suggestive comments from the opposite gender except for Kon, who is portrayed as a disgusting character whom is considered by EVERY character to have ome into contact with him to be someone whom no one could care less about and hates intensely, not exactly making it desirable to share mutual thought wth him. As it goes you will see less respect for the image of women on TV any time after 9 pm than you will in the manga or anime.

If you really have something against the physical form of women in anime being exposed to erotic nature then you should have a problem with it for the male characters too, and thusly you should just be agains anime entirely and you dont have to worry about it.

If it's the weak characters you're bothered about then there's nothing to complain about there either, there's a strong character for every weak character. The males have characters who are portrayed as weak as well so there's no complaints needed there.

Really, I dont see the big problem, or why you're narrowing it down to just women.
Essentially you're saying "women are portrayed as not being equal" while in narrowing it down to being women you're saying "I think that women should be portrayed stronger, and the men can remain the same". Now I'm no expert but sayin "men can be weak but women have to be strong" isn't quite sticking to this whole equality thing now is it? no no no.

First, thank you for the smart answer, i was hoping for it.

I think you answered my question relatvly on if there or not strong woman in Bleach. I think the answer is "almost no strongs woman in Bleach".

Second, the way this whole conversation started is the way me and my friends kinda think in the "popular" anime nonaday, there is no representation of more strong woman that young girls can associate themself with and that they can take as a role model. Is anime is sexist? hell yes it is, specially Bleach, and I think it's sad since they could of have a great set up to make at least one female character shine.

For example, when I was youngerl, I got strongly influenced by Lady oscar, the hero of Rose of versaille, a female character that is strong and passionnate and can stand up on what she belive. Or revoluonary girl Utena where she want to be a prince, not a man, a Prince, to save princess in distress.

Not a dumb inoue that sit there, useless, brainless, spineless....

I don't say change it and transform all the males into boyish useless guys and make them useless. All I ask for is balance.

I think Bleach send a image to young girls and young boy as what woman are made to be saved by strong man, insteed of showing a image of woman who can deal with their problems themself and maybe even be usefull and can actually save male characters.
Or that girls intelligence is inversally proportionnal as the size of their breast (aka big breast, low intelligence). Thats a bit upsetting too. The problem is not that they show breast, I don't mind it at all actually, but i wich we could see as much man in a sexy outfit than woman in sexy outfit. Why can't they be both sexual object? There a reason why woman likes fanfic so much. It have what real anime terribly lack.

I just think that beside Yoruichi, no female characters goes whitout being stereotyped. And no, there alot more males captains than females one, and the female one are not only stereotyped but also alot weaker than males one. We don't see them fight much except for Soi fon that we see fight once in a while (this include lieutnant).

I just wanted to know if I was missing something or if me and my friends was right abou the woman in Bleach and I think we definitly was right ^_^

[Chicken993]

I like Soi fon the best. She has an attitude and can kick some ass when she wants. I just hope they show her fight some more!

[vezryl]

"Almost no strong women"...Eesh...if you look at it proprtionally, as opposed to just "How many women are strong", more than half of the women are considered strong.
Women who aren't considered strong:
Inoue Orihime
Yuzu
Momo (though even she shows strength to an extent throughout the soul society arc when doing, well I dont know, going on a vendetta assault against Kira, Toushiro etc.)

Women that are to be percieved as strong:
Unohana
Yoruichi
Soi Fon
Tatsuki
Karin
Lirin
Shiba
Ururu (though soft spoken, capable of killing arrancar, say what you like but let's face it there are men in the anime/manga who's abilities and personalities suggest contrary to each other too)
Mashiro
Hiyori
Lisa
Rukia (again, say what you want about her personalty but she proved herself to be quite capable of being able to "look after her said", to quote you, by killing a member of the Espada)
Matsumoto
Yoshi
Yoshino

Not only is that long list of women considered able to "look after themselves" but you'll find that most are considered to be stronger than males of the same rank.

Now as far as my mathematical skill goes a 15:3 ratio, boils down to a simplified 5:1 ratio. Consider for a moment that the world of Soul Society's structure is generally supposed to mimic that of the real world, a small factor of this is that there truly are less women in powerful places. This makes the fact that women have a 5:1 power ratio actually quite a significant amount of power. Now then, being that the general hierarchy mimics this world's hierarchy, it might be a good idea to think "is it the manga that I'm not happy with, or is it the real world in which women aren't showing enough power, or given it.

To be honest I think you'll find most of the women in that list were never,or are rarely, saved by men or portrayed to need it but rather save the men, or the men are portrayed to need it.

As for the "large breasts suggests a converse level of intelligence" I disagree. For instance Matsumoto may be a very "open" person, but that by no means proves her to be less intelligent, any scene of a serious nature clearly points out that anyone under that impression is incorrect. As for Orihime though she may clearly lack confidence and have a streak of eccentricity at times (since when is that negative in the slightest, by the way) there's really absolutely nothing to suggest that she's unintelligent.

To the same extent I could say that in the manga, the fatter the man, the less intelligent they seem to be, this would actually be closer to the truth than your statement, look back through the soul society arc at Ikkanzaka Jiroubou, Oomaeda Marechiyo and Hachigen Ushōda. Negative image, no? But surely if it's not a woman then you weren't likely to notice now were you?

As for attire, as far as I remember (though I could me wrong) Matsumoto is the only female character that wears anything truly revealing, and that makes a 17:1 ratio in the favour of not wearing anything revealing. That, if anything, is higher than England's ratio on any given saturday if I'm honest. If you really want men in less clothes on men well maybeyou aren't looking for equality as such, perhaps you're looking for degradation of everyone. Either way these things are frequently censored by governments, if you really don't like it you can take it up with someone in a position of power and have anything of that type coming into the country changed, there's frequent examples of this in anime. If you don't like it, try to change it, there's not much of an excuse not to.

Perhaps though, you should take into account what I said about the mimic of our society through their world. You can't deny that there are women who resemble the negative aspects of Matsumoto, here in England we call them "more than 60% of women in Essex".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's set in stone that you're wrong, I'm just saying maybe it's not as bad, or as unrealistic as you choose to believe. And by that I might add I'm not suggesting that those negative aspects are those that you share, just saying they're present in this world so why should they be censored in that world? Ethically one should say that you either allow it in all worlds or not in any at all. There's not that big of a problem.