Marines and Pirate's power discussion

[sanjifan742]

So I have noticed that wether it's navy or pirates, ther's lots of different classes. for examples, there exists navy soldiers or pirates that get taken out with one hit, for example, Luffy's Gatling, zoro's oni-giri, or sanji's breakdancing kicks. Yet there are those that can put up a fight without devil fruits, like Kuro, bon-clay (His power didn't come from the fruit, so that isn't a factor in this) and the Cp9. The Cp9 were already powerful, the fruits just enhanced their powers by who knows how much, but the'r obviously stronger than the average bunch. the point of this thread is to discuss whether those that are powerful are just born that way, or is it through vigurous training and dedication that gives them their power? I vote that the'r born that way, and they are destined to be strong unlike the average bunch. I'll post a poll for this.

[shuyinx]

yea they have different class. pirate i have no idea

[Vincent1875]

People like Luffy seem naturally strong, but I think pretty much everyone else trains. Look at Coby and his friend. Completely normal to pretty good. I think others get stronger from experience.

[ArtfulDodger]

heavy training, I see no babies with tekkai =p

[shuyinx]

Originally Posted by Vincent1875

People like Luffy seem naturally strong, but I think pretty much everyone else trains. Look at Coby and his friend. Completely normal to pretty good. I think others get stronger from experience.

luffy granpa push them to the limit

[sanjifan742]

Well yes, I might re-think my decision due to what you said about Coby. He grew up a lot in just one year though.

[SSJ5]

We know Luffy went through hell with Garp. I've stated it before, but I think at some point 'natural talent' can only go so far... it's who trains the hardest, imo. Marines have the advantage though, because of the traning they get [again, imo]. Coby and Helmeppo were extremely lucky to get Garp as their caretaker.

[DarkAnthem]

i picked training.

[DeathView]

we know for a fact the CP9 had to train, they have an island just for training CP9 candidates :/

But I think it depends on the person, we don't know how much sanji trained with zeff has a kid, but he doesn't seem like the type to put training > cooking so I doubt he did much, yet he's quite strong. Kuro also doesn't seem like train ... overall I think strength is gained through training though.

[sanjifan742]

Originally Posted by DeathView

we know for a fact the CP9 had to train, they have an island just for training CP9 candidates :/

But I think it depends on the person, we don't know how much sanji trained with zeff has a kid, but he doesn't seem like the type to put training > cooking so I doubt he did much, yet he's quite strong. Kuro also doesn't seem like train ... overall I think strength is gained through training though.

But there are those that are born with a natural ability for fighting. Take the first fight against Sasuke and Rock Lee from Naruto as an example.