Has Ichigo Gotten Weaker? (possibly manga spoilers)

[shikamaru101]

i dont think that its possible for him to get weak. it just appears that way because there are such strong opponents. and i had a feeling that nel was stronger than she appeared. when ichigo was fighting espada 103 and the eyes on her mask glowed, i though she was gonna turn super and kill that mofo. but ichigo finally got serious and used bankai and then into his hollow form. but like an idiot, he had nel use her drool to heal him. i was profusely dissappointed.

[saratobi_uzumaki]

I agree..........

[Turtletoss]

I don't think it is as is much that Ichigo has gotten weaker.He just does not have that whole Live for the fight thing.I don't think he has come to terms yet with having to fight and kill.Through out the story this has been his weakness not lack of power.

[saratobi_uzumaki]

Not wanting to kill isn't weakness.

[Turtletoss]

Originally Posted by Turtletoss

I don't think it is as is much that Ichigo has gotten weaker.He just does not have that whole Live for the fight thing.I don't think he has come to terms yet with having to fight and kill.Through out the story this has been his weakness not lack of power.

Let me reword that (his resolve)

[bloody_romance]

Originally Posted by DeathView

i see your point about ichigo always relying on his bankai and hollow maks but that is because he is constantly fight espada(stronger then avreage captain) and that for some reason when stronger ones come, it's like the weaker ones stop???

THIS IS A SPOILER:i don't no how to do those hide things...i don't understand, even if kenpachi could have beat ichigo if they fought seriosly, since then ichigos gained bankai and hollow mask. then in the manga, grimjaw fights on par with ichigos hollow mask and yet kenpachi(who lost to ichigo before bankai) is fighting on par with the 5th espada???

also ichigo fights to protect, not to kill. this is his strength, not weakness

Sounds like another "contradiction" in bleach

[TanTanexteme]

jaggerjack pops and i think that ichigo has not gotten weaker but lacks the luck needed to win.
also the hollow ichigo is REALLY ****ing annoyin i mean who could fight like that?

[Turtletoss]

Originally Posted by saratobi_uzumaki

Not wanting to kill isn't weakness.

I am not saying his want to kill.
I am just going back to his training with Urahara.
That if he is going to fight to let go of the fear and find his resolve to fight.

[JhoodThyAnimeArtist]

i really think kenpachi was jus trying 2 test him on how strong he is, if he wanted 2 kill him he would have not even let ichigo get a hit off of him, but he was just seeing if what he belived was true, and what he belived was that ichigo was "the one" who could, after intense training, be able 2 step on par with him and fight at his full force and not kill him in jus a few blows, thats kenpachi REAL desire.....

[saratobi_uzumaki]

Kenpachi wanted to have fun with him and that's it