Has Ichigo Gotten Weaker? (possibly manga spoilers)

[DeathView]

i see your point about ichigo always relying on his bankai and hollow maks but that is because he is constantly fight espada(stronger then avreage captain) and that for some reason when stronger ones come, it's like the weaker ones stop???

THIS IS A SPOILER:i don't no how to do those hide things...i don't understand, even if kenpachi could have beat ichigo if they fought seriosly, since then ichigos gained bankai and hollow mask. then in the manga, grimjaw fights on par with ichigos hollow mask and yet kenpachi(who lost to ichigo before bankai) is fighting on par with the 5th espada???

also ichigo fights to protect, not to kill. this is his strength, not weakness

[Urameshi-support]

I mean really, doesn't he have about as much spirit power as Kenpachi. Isn't he skilled enough to beat Byakuya. It's not just that he's really weak in regular mode, but now also in bankai form too. It's like he was amazing and now is a low class captain. (yeah, that's how we all see captains now) WTF... I want the old bleach, the kickass in ur face before you move Ichigo, like in ep. 54.

His new form is cool if he can hang on to it (which he will under pressure) but what about his old self, his normal speed, bankai speed, bitc* slapping Tensa Zangetsu, and cocky badass attitude. Now they're weak, like little girl, i'm a hooker weak. I just don't get it. He impressed everyone and now is a freiken wuss.

He has to use bankai every 30 seconds, and really, now everybody uses bankai (ALL THE TIME), it's kinda like, what's next.

Your Opinions??

[RoninLuffy]

Well in a certain view yes, but to me that isn't the case. Bleach is turning steadily into another DBZ which means broken. The powers displayed in Bleach like Dragon ball Z escalate to the strongest powers then to the most ineffective. Before Ichigo only used his Bankai in dire situations and winning with a slim victory, yet he 'was' supposedly stronger than Kenpachi ( I don't believe this but he did beat him) Byakuya, and other not as mentioned Captains.

That and the way the Arrancar fights are being presented states that either even the weakest of the Arrancar are stronger than all of soul society and Ichigo's gang or that the show is broken and power levels go, up and down. Well whatever the way the show is going and how its being played out, the creator is going to have to create ( like DBZ) Bankai, Bankai Viazard, Bankai 1.2 Viazard, Bankai 3 ( long hair included) with perfected Viazard ( lasting a whooping 30 minutes!) and so forth.

Well this is how I am seeing the show at this point so to some this may not be correct, well this is my two cents worth and hopefully helped someone =P.

[Ryan]

hmmm 1 second though ichigo only beat kenpachi by the slightest, and if kenpachi went all out from the beginning he would have won. he only beat byakuga cus hollow ichigo came out and injured him. so maybe ichigo isnt really as strong as every1 thinks i mean all the higher level captains would beat him, ishida could prob mess him up aswell.


Also the arrancar are supposedly at there weakest level equal to people like 3rd seats. espada are equal to captains although weaker captains would get messed up, also higher level espada are probably on the same level or better than the higher level captains.

[Karas]

well...ichigos hollow form is a beast, ill give him that, but i see your point, he is having to use it more and more frequently, but doesnt't that make it more interesting really, like what if every enemy was easy for Ichigo to beat and we knew it? then the show would be boring and just be slaughter for all the rest of them, i mean, having tough enemies is all the more interesting isnt it? in my opinion, i think that ichigo has not gotten weaker, he just needs to warm up a bit until hes back to him old self, and to do that hes gotta practice with both (bankai and shikai), to do so...

[saratobi_uzumaki]

Ichigo isn't weaker his opponents are just stronger

[bleach_rulez8511]

he has goten strong becuase he is able to hold the mask for longer than 11 sec. plus.... he was able to deffet people that was so much stronger than he was also he is training to become stronger but it dont will show when he gets pwnd by 5th espada.... and nell is so much stronger than ichgo here is a spoler for u guys if u dont read the manga nell is the 3thd espada.... so i would say ichgo is getting stronger but as strong has he wants to sice he almost lose to 6th espada agian.... nells true form is my avatar

[saratobi_uzumaki]

what the hell kinda name is Jackerjack?? Sounds like a kind of cereal

[the narutard]

lol, jaggerjack loops

[saratobi_uzumaki]

snap, crackle, Jackerjack