Miss Universe bans transgendered contestant

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Originally Posted by -Omega-

In all fairness, transexuals put themselves in the position of being a minority. Technically, everyone is in a minority one way or the other. Also, the last time I checked, no child in recent history has been banned from school (maybe unless they have broke the rules). Most churches don't even ban people. A pageant and school are two different types of institutions though.

On this last point, aren't you kind of exaggerating a bit? This is about a pageant not a transexual witch hunt where they are being killed on the spot. They are not being outlawed throughout North America for existing.

It would be nice to think I'm exaggerating, but actually typing the topic of transgendered kids expelled from school brings up a lot of results in Google; and that's for mostly wearing the 'wrong' clothes. It's comforting to pretend that homophobia doesn't exist, and unfair to claim they bring it on themselves.

People are always encouraged to be "who they are" or "individuals" but the reality is much different. If you stray to far from the pack (i.e. the norm) you will be ostracized. Competitions like this influence the cultural mindset, it encourages acceptance.

In 2010 a teen demanded the right to attend her senior prom with her g/f, she even went on Ellen. Do you know what her school (and the PTA) did? The made a fake prom and only invited the lesbian couple (and the disabled kids). The 'real' prom was held in secret. Mcmillen later won a lawsuit against the school.

Doesn't it bother you? How mean people can be? Do you think that girl brought that kind of response on herself, for just wanting to attend the prom dressed in a tux with her girlfriend?

When you get dressed, how comfortable are you in your clothes? Gender identity is established early in our lives, for some people it's not that easy, they are trapped on the other side. Not every tomboy,effeminate boy or boy in a dress is going to grow up to be transgendered or homosexual, but some of them will, and society should offer them the same protection against discrimination and ignorance as it does the rest of us.

[-Omega-]

We are talking about North America not Europe and I said you were over exaggerating on the part were you said, "yeah I'll support most anyone's right to exist" since no one was outlawing anyone for being alive. Pay close attention to what I'm saying here. You said that they were in the minority. If you get a sex change, then you put yourself in the minority. What I said was not unfair. It was the truth since a majority of people do not have sex change operations. I did not say that they bring anything on themselves (good or bad).

On the prom issue, she was allowed to go to prom. They just had another prom where she was not invited. The school system didn't ban her from anything. It wasn't a fake prom. It was just probably not the one she wanted to go to. She did win the lawsuit regardless. Was it childish on the part of the PTA? Sure, but that proves my point. The system was fair towards her.

People are mean. That's life. Sometimes it violates the law sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you get justice and sometimes you don't. The laws in North America does offer protection though. That girl won her lawsuit. You can't vandalize someone's property or anything of that nature because of a person's orientation or even their past criminal record (sex offenders, DUI, etc).

Now, I'm not trying to derail this conversation, but it is getting a bit off topic. This is just a little heads.